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46 responses to “Mental illness, medication, and the spiralling cost of being well”

  1. animeg

    I want to say something, but it’s not going to be very interesting or useful. Anyway, it all depends. For some people, they can opt out, but for others, no meds=costly hospital stay. At the hospital, I saw a lot of folks coming back b/c they ran out.

    I only have mild GAD so I could go without meds, but I prefer to not to.

  2. Helen

    Sorry Hexy, to rudely post just minutes after you. The leopard post was on top when I went into the write-post window, you must have been getting ready to publish. OK enough meta – I’ll get out of your way!
    Helen

  3. hexy

    Animeg: Yes, I’m in that category. I’ve had lengthy hospital stays, and going off my meds would land me right back in there.

    If I had no private health insurance, money, or an existing relationship with a psychiatrist in the hospital? I could go off my meds as many times as I liked and be as crazy as a loon, but I wouldn’t end up in hospital. In-patient psychiatric treatment is very much a privilege in this country.

    That option should be available to more people, and they should have the option of taking it.

  4. hexy

    Helen: No problem :)

  5. hexy

    “That option should be available to more people, and they should have the option of taking it.”

    Sorry, that was really unclear.

    I meant that the option of a hospital stay should be economically available to everyone, and that “opting out” of meds leading to a hospital stay should be considered an option people have the right to take.

    Everyone is capable of opting out of medication. Some have very negative results from doing so, but that doesn’t mean they’re incapable of choosing not to be medicated.

  6. animeg

    In the US[I am thinking hexy lives in Australia, if I am wrong, tell me], you can be committed if you’re a danger to yourself or others. However, hospital stays are usually less than a week, yet they are very expensive. We also seem to have overcrowding problems at our hospitals sometimes.

    I’m not saying people shouldn’t be allowed to do that, I’m just saying that for a lot of people it’s more feasible to take the meds and deal with the side effects than go to the hospital, since many jobs won’t let you off for that many hospital stays, and disability can take a long time coming through. [and doesn't pay enough anyway]

  7. caitlinate

    Thank you.

  8. Jo Tamar

    Another “thank you” from me.

  9. hexy

    Animeg: Yes, the same applies here. If you pose an active threat to yourself or someone else, you can be “scheduled” and forcibly hospitalised for three to five days. Which might as well be nothing when it comes to treating mental illness, but the public mental health system really only concerns itself with crisis.

    And I’m not arguing with your statement about it being more feasible for most people to take medication. I’m simply pointing out that there are valid reasons to reject the medication, and that people should never have the right to refuse medication taken from them.

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  10. Mindy

    Thank you Hexy. I had never even considered the toll that medication can take on your body, much less on your wallet.

  11. nephronnelly.blogspot.com/

    Hexy, wow. I’m very sorry to hear your story. I’ve been through, still going through, something similar. I had severe depression and anxiety for many years and was on high-dose anti-depressants and benzos. In my case it has turned out to be entirely caused by other things.

    I had the same problem with the synthetic thyroid medication. Didn’t work very well at all. I am now taking “natural” thyroid hormone, which is desiccated thyroid from pigs. It’s about as natural as codeine, as it’s processed and standardised, but it works a hell of a lot better for many people as it has T4 and T3, the active thyroid hormone. It costs about $30 a month from a compounding chemist which is around the same as a PBS prescription but unforunately there’s no concessions on it. It’s not a popular medication, most doctors either haven’t heard of it or think it’s ineffective and will give you mad pig disease which it isn’t and it won’t, it’s been used safely for nearly a hundred years and quality is even better these days. I’m sending myself broke to see a doctor who prescribes it and paying for the full-price thyroid. :( But I can’t go without it, the synthetic stuff just does. not. work. for me. If I don’t take it I can hardly get out of bed and get into deep depression with suicidal ideation. I was always too tired and unmotivated to act on that, hah the irony.

    Aside from the hypothyroidism, I developed these symptoms which worried me even more, like which looked like early onset dementia, like memory loss, aphasia, loss of cognitive skills, etc. Turned out it was low vitamin B12, which my doctor (not my thyroid doctor) said I “shouldn’t worry about, just eat more meat”. I researched it myself, and figured it out, and fortunately another doctor read the research I printed out. I now have to have a B12 injection every week and slowly the symptoms are going but I’m scared I suffered permanent neurological damange. Please make sure they check your B12. The lab range is too low in Australia. Neurological damage can begin at 350, not the 120 which is the lower limit in Australia. I don’t know why it is like this. You said you are taking medication to treat reflux – those are notorious for causing B12 deficiency because they inhibit production of intrinsic factor. We can’t win.

    [I also turned out to have bloody well Celiac disease, which also causes three billion annoying-to-very-serious problems.]

    The medical system seems terribly broken. Especially when it comes to mental illness, and especially when it’s a woman, and even more so when she’s fat. I had my health problems dismissed as just being a neurotic woman or a fat woman. And I am so, so angry about it for everyone who has had to go through anything like this. It is infuriating beyond words. It took me so much effort just to figure out what the hell was up with me, when if certain doctors has just paid attention…gah. Fuck it. I don’t feel like I can Rage Against The System all the time.

    (I guess if anyone wants to contact me they can leave a comment through my blog (no posts yet), they’re moderated.)

  12. rayedish

    Thank you for this Hexy. The effort that it took to write and share such a personal post is really appreciated.

    When I was a child my uncle’s schizophrenia was kept hidden from us and years later when I was sitting in a psychology lecture I realised that his trembling (that my younger self had thought was Parkinsons disease) was actually a side effect of his medication. The last years of his life were hard as he was shunted between hospitals and his parent’s house. This post has given me a greater understanding of the difficulties, that my grandparents and uncle (and everyone else who lives are touched by mental illness) faced/face. Thanks again.

  13. Fine

    A great article Hexy. I have a bit of understanding of these issues and you’ve just added a whole heap more. People seem to think mental illness can be managed with one convenient pill which fits all, but it can’t. There was, what I thought, was a really good series with Stephen Fry on the ABC a couple of months ago. He’s bipolar and went around talking to people with the same illness about how they managed it. Everyone had different answers.

  14. Liam

    Thanks Hexy. Keep well.

  15. hexy

    Mindy: I think it’s one of those things that doesn’t occur to most people unless they have reason to think of it. I certainly had no idea before it became relevant to me. Stigma keeps so many people from talking about their experiences with mental illness, and that does cover medication as well.

    rayedish: Thank you :) And yeah, I’m familiar with the tremors. The mood stabiliser I mentioned briefly gave me visible tremors so severe I couldn’t fill cups all the way or I’d spill the liquid. It’s not only inconvenient, it’s embarrassing.

    Fine: Exactly! It’s not a simple question of take the pill = sane, vs don’t take the pill = crazy. And I’ve heard really good things about that Stephen Fry series, I should check it out.

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  16. hexy

    Liam: I do my best :)

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  17. fuckpoliteness

    Hexy, thank you.

  18. Liam

    Hexy, I’m sure. And do check out the Stephen Fry series Fine mentioned, it’s incredibly good TV.

  19. hexy

    Nephronnelly: I do take a B12 supplement, amongst a bunch of other vitamins. I was already quite careful about my B12 levels, as I’m a vegetarian, but I stepped it up a little when I was put on my last antidepressant. I also take a magnesium supplement, as magnesium is a mild mood stabiliser. It’s absolutely important to keep an eye on one’s diet when managing mental illness, as much as the “just try diet and exercise” types make me want to stab them :)

    Thanks for the tip about animal-derived thyroid. It’ s something I’d prefer to avoid, but I’ll keep it in mind in case the synthetic version fails me.

  20. Casey

    Hexy, what a story. You slapped me out of my bullshit little worries and straight into some real things to think about. Thank you. But I just wanted to mention something about this:

    “On top of my medication costs, I now have regular massive dental bills to pay… and that is not covered by Medicare. How is the dentist relevant? Well, despite having excellent teeth that never even needed a filling until I was 19, they’ve been rotting out of my head in recent years. My antipsychotic reduces my saliva production, and it turns out that saliva is pretty important in keeping teeth healthy, functional, and not full of holes. ”

    Its too late for the work already done, and I dont know if you know, and maybe you do and maybe you have used it, but there is currently in place a medicare dental scheme for sufferers of chronic illness which gives those eligible $4250 worth of dental treatment over a 2 year period. Labor wanted to dump it but the Senate rejected it so its still in place – to date. If you havent taken advantage of it, I urge you to do so – as from what you ‘ve detailed here – you more than qualify for it. Ask your GP, he will get it in place for you then try and find a dentist which does not charge a copayment. They are about. Good luck.

  21. hexy

    Casey: Yes, I have heard of this scheme, and am planning on asking my GP about it when I see him next. I didn’t know Labor was trying to get rid of it, though… I’ll have to speed that along! Thanks!

  22. Tamala

    I hope I don’t come off as condescending or anything like that Hexy but I have to say stories like yours scare the shit out of me.

    Mostly ’cause if it weren’t for a slight scrambling of my genes I’d probably be in a similar situation to you. My birthmother was apparently also on anti-psychotics and antidepressants when she accidentally killed herself and I heard all sorts of horror stories about both her unmedicated life and her medicated life (And like you they both seemed to have their costs) when I was a teenager everyone who knew the woman kept on commenting on my similarity to her and I kept being afraid I’d have to step on that rollercoaster myself.

    I guess in short, I’m trying to say empthetically rather than pityingly: I’m sorry you have to put up with all that shit.

  23. hexy

    Tamala: The sad bit is that I’m really very lucky. It took a while, but my medication balance makes me more or less functional most of the time, and when I have a bad patch it’s generally understood that I will come out of it. I’ve already outlived expectations: people with my diagnosis have a ridiculously high suicide rate. And the side effects are awful, but none of the ones I deal with now stop me working or socialising.

    I’m sorry to hear about your birth mother, and thank you for the empathy.

  24. I’ve commented over on your blog, but this is the medicare dental scheme mentioned above. It’s extremely difficult to get into (deliberately so) and I’m not sure if you’d currently be covered – though if you develop diabetes, you could be. You have to already be in the chronic illness scheme (covers costs for multi-disciplinary care, also hard to get into) to apply.

  25. hexy

    My mental illness does count as a chronic illness, and I am treated by multiple health care professionals. I don’t have one of the plans they mention, though… I’ll have to see what my GP thinks. Thanks for the link!

  26. Casey

    Hexy. Its unbelievable how easy it is to get it.. Your GP is the one who puts in place the health care plans. Its all up to her/him. The “team” they refer to can be anyone. There is nothing complex about it. The GP does it by computer (if he is online) and just puts the name of the specialist in, lists the problems and the plan for improving everything and that is a health care plan. Under the current system and an accommodating GP anyone can get this do you believe it?. One guy I knew walked into the dental surgery with a chronic health care plan for his “obesity”. He had a pot belly!!. The health care team in his case were 1) a dietician and b) the dentist he was referred to!! Inquiries to Medicare revealed that if the GP put the health care plans in place there was nothing wrong with it. The Dentist could complain, but she/he needed to be very careful about the claims being made regarding the GP. It really can be a bit of a rort. It is not means tested and this here:

    “A chronic medical condition is one that has been or is likely to be present for at least six months. It may include, but is not limited to, conditions such as asthma, cancer, cardiovascular illness, diabetes mellitus, arthritis, mental illness, musculoskeletal conditions and stroke.”

    is so vague and wide ranging that it really is open to being rorted from what I have seen. Further, under this system , very rich people can access it as well as people who are not very sick. It is not means tested. Furthermore, it is quite possible to have cosmetic work (composite resin work and crowns but not veneers and implants ) quite easily under the current system as it does not ask for details, just item numbers it approves.

    You, howevr, who is actually a chronic illness sufferer with illnesses that actually impact your dental health, will have absolutely no worries and its a couple of key strokes into a computer by your GP.

  27. Lauredhel

    The person has to not just have a chronic medical condition, but also have “complex care needs” (with at least three disciplines of healthcare providers involved), qualify for a care plan under EPC (Enhanced Primary Care) guidelines, and the GP needs to attest that their oral health is impacting (or likely to impact) upon their general health. Hexy would likely very easily qualify under these criteria, I’m guessing, but a lot of other people who want to claim it might not – even if their dental health needs are pressing. Our dental system sucks.

  28. It’s difficult to qualify in rural areas (where I live) because the available cross-disciplinary carers are a podiatrist (once a week), a physiotherapist (once a week) and a dietician/diabetes educator (once a fortnight) plus a speech therapist who only sees children. In fact, I know only one person who qualified. I hadn’t thought that it might be easier in a city, but of course it would!

  29. Casey

    Lauredhel when Im not doing a Phd I work in dentistry. So the Medicare forms that we get from the GP, are the ones I process and look at. Im also a carer for my mum so Ive seen it put in place :

    You are right when you say you need three disciplines of health care providers. The guidlines state;

    “… which includes their GP and at least two other health care providers”

    These three therefore can be anything like:

    1. the GP,
    2. any specialist inc dieticians, gastros, shrinks, cardiologists, etc, etc and
    3. and it can be the dentist himself.

    The GP makes up the plans. I know this because as a carer for my mother, I got one for her and I watched the Doctor do it online and it went straight to medicare via the internet with the info coming out of her file. He did it all. In my mothers case she has a myriad of probs which impact her oral health so it was entirely appropriate. However, from my surgery work experience, if the doctor is prepared to attest that the illnesses impact on oral health and is prepared to not be, strictly speaking, exactly correct about that or stretch it a little cause he has a long relationship with his patient, then its easy. IMO It needs tightening up so that people like Hexy are the ones that get it and not anyone who actually has the money to pay for it or whose “chronic illnesses” and attesting GPs are being less than stringent about the interpretations.

    Here is the history of the whole thing and the pros and cons for anyone interested.

    http://www.aph.gov.au/LIBRARY/Pubs/bn/2008-09/Dental_Benefits.htm#uptake

  30. Helen

    Oh, and did we mention this is coming out of your paycheck? Aren’t you glad you got functional enough to take that low-paying job?”…

    Aaaaargh. ((((Hexy))))

  31. hexy

    Re: The dentist thing… well, I’ve got my GP, my pshrink, and I gather my pharmacist counts. As I said, I’ll give it a try. Getting a bunch of free dental care would set my mind at ease on one front for at least a while! Thanks for chiming in, everyone.

    Casey: It needs tightening up so that people like Hexy are the ones that get it and not anyone who actually has the money to pay for it or whose “chronic illnesses” and attesting GPs are being less than stringent about the interpretations.

    When requirements are lax, people who don’t need the service inevitably slip through. When requirements are strict, people who DO need the service inevitably miss out. I guess it’s up to each person to decide which of those they think is the greater problem.

    Helen: Thank you. :) And I imagine the related, one-day-to-be-written post about why the sex industry is a boon for some people with disabilities and chronic illness with be far more controversial.

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  32. Lauredhel

    These three therefore can be anything like:

    1. the GP,
    2. any specialist inc dieticians, gastros, shrinks, cardiologists, etc, etc and
    3. and it can be the dentist himself.

    Category (2) is quite a bit broader than what most people understand by “specialists” – it includes a very wide variety of healthcare providers including such providers as physiotherapists, diabetes educators, Aboriginal health workers, audiologists, osteopaths, and speech therapists.

    I am very aware of the way in which the plans are drawn up because I’ve drawn them up. I don’t believe they need to be “tightened” in the slightest; on the contrary, I believe this model of dental funding needs to be completely abandoned, and a proper comprehensive nationwide universal dental insurance scheme introduced.

  33. shadesofblue

    The medical system seems to be an all or nothing situation, really. Shut up, take your meds and be a good little boy/girl, or dont take them and whatever happens is your own fault.
    Can’t cope with the tremors, rapid weight gain, loss of libido, anhedonia, loss of taste (or even worse, robot-butt-mouth) lack of sleep, extreme nightmares, hyper or hypo salivating, incessant yawning, slurred speech, memory loss, cognitive impairment or brain zaps (and that’s just my list of experienced symptoms, there’s a lot more out there) and want to go off your meds? Well obviously you dont *want* to be well, do you?

    We should make a giant ‘my meds’ collage.

  34. hexy

    Heh. Robot butt mouth.

    I am so down with My Meds collage.

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  35. Casey

    “a proper comprehensive nationwide universal dental insurance scheme introduced.”

    Im interesed in what you think of this report on a possible replacement for the scheme?

    http://www.ada.org.au/App_CmsLib/Media/Lib/0902/M157070_v1_633706508482830000.pdf

  36. WildlyParenthetical

    Hexy, you rock; thanks so much for this post. The point that medication isn’t anywhere near as precise as it is imagined to be, in that reducing any given symptom goes along with various side-effect, is just such an important one. Medicine can do amazing things; but it doesn’t *only* do amazing things. I’m also sorry it can be such a rough ride (hip-pocket-wise and body-wise, as well as the work of continually negotiating (with) non-NT-ness and medications and side-effects and rising tolerances and stigma and so on), however lucky you might be on the scale of things!

    I am *very* much looking forward to your sex work post, btw… :-)

  37. hexy

    WP: I’m glad to hear it! It’s going to take a bit more courage than this one, though…

    And thank you for the positive feedback. Thank you ALL, actually… the response to this post has been far lovelier than I expected.

  38. Casey

    Yes, Hexy. Ditto. And pardon the diversion onto matters dental. Im just passionate that the people who need it get it. Lauredhel is right. We should have a universal dental scheme but in the meanwhile this is the best we have. When I read your post, I just became so upset that you should have exhorbitant dental bills, on top of the other medical costs. I look forward to more of your posts as well!

  39. hexy

    When I read your post, I just became so upset that you should have exhorbitant dental bills, on top of the other medical costs.

    Aw. :) Thank you, that’s so sweet. I didn’t mind your diversion at all, it’s valuable information that should be out there.

  40. WildlyParenthetical

    Yeah, I’m sure it will take lotsa courage. Hence en-courage-ment ;-) Just offering a teensy safety-net of an appreciative audient, FWIW (singular of audience borrowed from my lil sister, at the age of about 7. It still makes me smile).

  41. hexy

    Audient? That’s adorable :)

    I’ll try and muster the courage to do it soon. I need to build up my spoons for coping with potential backlash first.

  42. Jo Tamar

    Another word of encouragement re the sex work post. No pressure, but whenever you’re ready to write it, I’ll be ready (and very interested!) to read it :)

  43. hexy

    All the interest in that post is certainly encouraging!

  44. emailtoid.net/i/957549d6/…

    Just to add even though I know a couple have already mentioned.

    The dental plan is ace. Also if you have a mental health plan they can easily swap it over to count dental too. My GP did that for me.

    The dentist I’m with believes that it will proabbly be canceled towards end of June, so get in quick.

    So far I’ve had two root canels and 5 fillings (and I’m only halfway through my sessions.)

  45. sixtoedkitties.wordpress.com/

    Hexy I would back you up.

  46. sixtoedkitties.wordpress.com/

    Depending on actual content of post…but on general idea, what you just said, I would.

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