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3 responses to ““The yearly feminist discussion” in SF publishing, by Guest Hoyden girliejones”

  1. Mindy

    “our home grown girls ”

    yep, they’re organic and everything, and more importantly they are ours.

  2. lauredhel

    Yes, the “our girls” things sets my teeth on edge, too.

    I’m finding it hard to think of any explanation to the “alternate view” other than “Hey, they’re chicks, they think differently from regular people!” Are Hoydenizens finding other readings?

    The fact that this is ever referred to as the “yearly feminist discussion” is belittling and indicative of the privilege these blokes are lugging around. They only have to deal with it – well, hardly deal with it, just have their delicate sensibilities briefly offended by it – once a year. We live it every single day, it’s not a passing hobby; it’s not something we can put aside and say “well, we’ll pretend to deal with that again next year”.

  3. WildlyParenthetical

    Hmm. The “alternate view” thing… I can’t tell if I’m splitting hairs, but my take is: yeah, probably what women writers write is different from what men writers write, though I don’t think this is predictable, or necessary, or anything. And given that men writers seem to dominate most of the time, not just in terms of numbers but more importantly in being treated as central and standard, it’s not surprising that their ‘view’ is the default centre, whilst women’s is deemed ‘alternate’. So I on the one hand might kinda see that claim as accurate, but without a discussion of the politics that goes into making it so, it’s just reinforcing the problem. Wacky grrls and their alternativeness!!

    And the attempt to make out that it’s a cliche for women writers to write about “strong female characters, or bring a feminist take on a situation”, and then to excuse it as offering an ‘alternate view’?! Excuse me?! That makes me extremely grumpy. And also makes me want to write a spoof response in which I treat male sci-fi as if it were the exception rather than the rule, just to demonstrate why it’s sucky! “In many ways, science fiction written by men might appear to be cliched, in its continual use of male heroes, a tendency to fall back on militaristic resolutions or technological discoveries as part of the narrative*. But its value lies in offering an alternate view of the world, one which, in centering on male concerns, helps to prompt an analysis of how and why the feminine perspective has become the standard response to any given situation, not only in fiction, but in contemporary life. And that, of course, is what good sci fi does: it challenges our easy assumptions about the world.” ;-P

    * Yes, my friends, that would be a reduction and a generalisation. Which is generally what happens with commentary on women’s writing.

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