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		<title>By: Personalizing the Fetus for Anti-Abortion Campaigns &#171; The Blog and the Bullet</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20070525.599/maybe-they-need-bruce-willis-for-the-voiceover/comment-page-1/#comment-11249</link>
		<dc:creator>Personalizing the Fetus for Anti-Abortion Campaigns &#171; The Blog and the Bullet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] noticed that this anti-choice technique of personifying fetuses is not just an isolated event, but a trend.* She points us to another recent instance of this phenomenon described by Kevin T. Keith, and the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] noticed that this anti-choice technique of personifying fetuses is not just an isolated event, but a trend.* She points us to another recent instance of this phenomenon described by Kevin T. Keith, and the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tracey</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20070525.599/maybe-they-need-bruce-willis-for-the-voiceover/comment-page-1/#comment-10597</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 23:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tigtog: Thanks for unearthing even more creepy instances of this weird phenomenon!  Isn&#039;t it disturbing?  I made a followup post linking here and also to a great article about the politics of fetal imagery. 

aimai: Beautifully put!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tigtog: Thanks for unearthing even more creepy instances of this weird phenomenon!  Isn&#8217;t it disturbing?  I made a followup post linking here and also to a great article about the politics of fetal imagery. </p>
<p>aimai: Beautifully put!</p>
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		<title>By: aimai</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20070525.599/maybe-they-need-bruce-willis-for-the-voiceover/comment-page-1/#comment-10592</link>
		<dc:creator>aimai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 15:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking about this topic just the other day after having had to explain more stuff about pregnancy to my daughters. I realized that, taking a leaf from the exellent discussion of passive tense and ownership on this site, that I reallydon&#039;t think we should *ever* use the word &quot;fetus&quot; independent of the woman around it.  Its ok to say &quot;the fetus in the petrie dish&quot; if there is such a thing around but from now on I&#039;m going to only say &quot;the woman&#039;s fetus.&quot; Because there is no independent &quot;fetus&quot; in either a physical or an existential sense. I don&#039;t say &quot;the kidney&quot; when I mean &quot;my&quot; kidney--in fact I would never refer to any body part or organ in any person without marking its ownership. 

If I go into the hospital for an operation there is some discussion of &quot;the kidney&quot; and its function but when it comes to deciding what is to be done with *my* kidney or my lungs or my limbs the discussion always turns on what is best for me as a integral individual. The kidney doesn&#039;t have any rights and its not discussed as though it did.

Time we cleaned up our language and forced the issue.

aimai</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking about this topic just the other day after having had to explain more stuff about pregnancy to my daughters. I realized that, taking a leaf from the exellent discussion of passive tense and ownership on this site, that I reallydon&#8217;t think we should *ever* use the word &#8220;fetus&#8221; independent of the woman around it.  Its ok to say &#8220;the fetus in the petrie dish&#8221; if there is such a thing around but from now on I&#8217;m going to only say &#8220;the woman&#8217;s fetus.&#8221; Because there is no independent &#8220;fetus&#8221; in either a physical or an existential sense. I don&#8217;t say &#8220;the kidney&#8221; when I mean &#8220;my&#8221; kidney&#8211;in fact I would never refer to any body part or organ in any person without marking its ownership. </p>
<p>If I go into the hospital for an operation there is some discussion of &#8220;the kidney&#8221; and its function but when it comes to deciding what is to be done with *my* kidney or my lungs or my limbs the discussion always turns on what is best for me as a integral individual. The kidney doesn&#8217;t have any rights and its not discussed as though it did.</p>
<p>Time we cleaned up our language and forced the issue.</p>
<p>aimai</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20070525.599/maybe-they-need-bruce-willis-for-the-voiceover/comment-page-1/#comment-10563</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 22:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A punchbowl of fruity martinis?

I think the talking fetus on a site that&#039;s celebrating a planned/wanted pregnancy is kinda forgivable, although that particular one seems especially twee.

Bringing it into political op-ed pages though? It seems to be yet another manifestation of the idea that if only women seeking abortions realised Just How Cute Babies Are then they wouldn&#039;t want a TOP. 

Yet again, the &lt;em&gt;women don&#039;t know what they really want&lt;/em&gt; card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A punchbowl of fruity martinis?</p>
<p>I think the talking fetus on a site that&#8217;s celebrating a planned/wanted pregnancy is kinda forgivable, although that particular one seems especially twee.</p>
<p>Bringing it into political op-ed pages though? It seems to be yet another manifestation of the idea that if only women seeking abortions realised Just How Cute Babies Are then they wouldn&#8217;t want a TOP. </p>
<p>Yet again, the <em>women don&#8217;t know what they really want</em> card.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Harding</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20070525.599/maybe-they-need-bruce-willis-for-the-voiceover/comment-page-1/#comment-10557</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 62&quot;, 170 lbs., I breathe autonomously, I have a master&#039;s degree, and I like fruity martinis. What do I win?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 62&#8243;, 170 lbs., I breathe autonomously, I have a master&#8217;s degree, and I like fruity martinis. What do I win?</p>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20070525.599/maybe-they-need-bruce-willis-for-the-voiceover/comment-page-1/#comment-10536</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 05:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The top pregnancy ticker at &lt;a href=&quot;http://tickers.baby-gaga.com/pregnancy.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baby-Gaga&lt;/a&gt; has a creepy talking fetus. Try both the &quot;development&quot; and &quot;humor&quot; options from the dropdown at the right hand side. 

Examples:

&quot;Gross! I&#039;m already secreting urine! Good thing I&#039;m generous enough to stay in here and save on diapers.&quot;

&quot;My Mommy&#039;s uterus is almost the size of a grapefruit, which she&#039;d like to throw at Daddy right now.&quot;

&quot;I&#039;m 4-6 mm, my vocal chords are forming &amp; my tiny heart is beating &amp; circulating blood! I&#039;m 5 weeks &amp; 4 days old, only 241 days to go!&quot;

&quot;I&#039;m 3.5&quot; CRL &amp; weigh 1.5 oz; I&#039;m practicing smiling, grimacing, frowning &amp; squinting! I&#039;m 13 weeks &amp; 5 days old; only 184 days to go!&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The top pregnancy ticker at <a href="http://tickers.baby-gaga.com/pregnancy.php" rel="nofollow">Baby-Gaga</a> has a creepy talking fetus. Try both the &#8220;development&#8221; and &#8220;humor&#8221; options from the dropdown at the right hand side. </p>
<p>Examples:</p>
<p>&#8220;Gross! I&#8217;m already secreting urine! Good thing I&#8217;m generous enough to stay in here and save on diapers.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;My Mommy&#8217;s uterus is almost the size of a grapefruit, which she&#8217;d like to throw at Daddy right now.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m 4-6 mm, my vocal chords are forming &amp; my tiny heart is beating &amp; circulating blood! I&#8217;m 5 weeks &amp; 4 days old, only 241 days to go!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m 3.5&#8243; CRL &amp; weigh 1.5 oz; I&#8217;m practicing smiling, grimacing, frowning &amp; squinting! I&#8217;m 13 weeks &amp; 5 days old; only 184 days to go!&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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