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15 responses to “Watson is no Galileo”

  1. Black Knight

    James Watson – the Prince Philip of science.

    Except that I have a soft spot for Phil.

  2. Jangari

    Nice quote there, I may have to take note of that one.

    I’ve been having this argument for days now over at Iain Hall’s blog, where he keeps on implying that intellectual capacity may in fact be genetically determined and correlated across ethnic groups, and that it doesn’t mean any given ethnicity would treated any less humanely, thus, he claims, where is the problem?

    I’m giving you a link not to advertise his site, but because I think I well and truly hammered every bit of his argument.

  3. Black Knight

    I’m afraid I saw the quote elsewhere. . . on a science suppliers forum, IIRC.

  4. Mr Tog

    Even if it were true that intellectual capacity and race were somehow linked, which barely stands scrutiny as a hypothesis since we lack the means to quantify it objectively, what would it mean if it turned out that black people were inherently more ‘intelligent’ than white people? Would white people abandon the societal privileges granted them by subliminal racism, inviting black people to assume these same privileges? Would white people migrate to the less fashionable neighbourhoods and sell their houses to their black ‘superiors’? Or would white people just dismiss the results as flawed and irrelevant. Certain white people on the looney right might even rediscover the art of the lynch mob and practise it on those who published the findings.

  5. Mary Tracy9

    Mr Tog, you have given an excellent side of the argument. Thanks for making me think.

    Also, people get too carried out by claiming that “these” or “that” group is less intelligent than *insert dominant group here”, but they NEVER move on to explain why would that be. Why would nature make whites smarter than blacks? That’s the real question here. (and claiming that “god is white” is just not good enough)

  6. Black Knight

    Owowowow. . . teh internets are bad for me at this time of the morning. I think I sprained something.

  7. L.M.

    The best argument against “black people are less intelligent than white people” that I have heard:
    Among black students at US colleges and universities, a large proportion of them are African immigrants. I assume that most African immigrants would be 100% black, whereas the great majority of American blacks (descendants of slaves) have … er … white ancestry.
    Also, people’s conceptions of race don’t accurately reflect genetic relationships – some people consider indigeneous Australians and South Asians “black” – in reality, they are not related to “black” Africans any more than white people are!

  8. L.M.

    Mr Tog – “what would it mean if it turned out that black people were inherently more “intelligent’ than white people?”
    I think that some of the “black people are not as intelligent as white people” proponents claim that East Asians and Jews are more intelligent than white people, but I don’t see them giving up their white privilege to us anytime soon …

  9. Lauredhel

    Also, people’s conceptions of race don’t accurately reflect genetic relationships – some people consider indigeneous Australians and South Asians “black”

    Well, yes. Many of them consider themselves “black”, in my experience.

    I’m reminded of the political gaffe made by – I can’t remember who – labelling an African person (?a UK citizen?) “African-American”. Can anyone remember the story?

  10. su

    I’m coming to this a bit late but it seems to me that since the concept of ‘race’ is entirely subjective- there are no objective determiners of race;it is to all intents and purposes a false construct, and since Intelligence Tests are themselves a very controversial measure, beset by validity problems that will probably never go away, these kinds of comparisons are completely bogus.

    Validity is the core issue; without validity (the test measures a real world attribute), it does not matter how reliable tests are. Standard intelligence tests are quite reliable these days (you’ll get the same score regardless of time of testing or who conducts the test) which makes people think that they are also valid, but this is not the case. In particular the criterion related validity of intelligence tests are really poor. Although extremely low scores reliably predict fairly poor outcomes all other scores, including extremely high scores do not necessarily predict higher levels of functioning in society. They are good at pinpointing areas of strengths and weakness but broadscale comparisons within and amongst populations – there be dragons.

  11. Mr Tog

    I think that some of the “black people are not as intelligent as white people” proponents claim that East Asians and Jews are more intelligent than white people, but I don’t see them giving up their white privilege to us anytime soon “¦

    Yes, L.M. I’ve heard those claims too, although I’m not sure what ‘white’ privileges you think they would not be giving up.

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