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	<title>Comments on: Shame file: Haven Backpackers Resort Hostel, Alice Springs</title>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20080311.1527/shame-file-haven-backpackers-resort-hostel-alice-springs/comment-page-2/#comment-60588</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m way behind here -- still trying to work out by what logic anti-racism is &#039;closed minded&#039;,  &#039;narrow-minded&#039; and &#039;small-minded&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m way behind here &#8212; still trying to work out by what logic anti-racism is &#8216;closed minded&#8217;,  &#8216;narrow-minded&#8217; and &#8217;small-minded&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: fuckpoliteness</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuckpoliteness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funny how  neutrality comes off so much like ugly bigotry sometimes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny how  neutrality comes off so much like ugly bigotry sometimes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, you know you&#039;re keeping this post in front of readers by repeatedly commenting on it, don&#039;t you?!

Thanks for that, I have a terrible memory and might have forgotten the name of the place to boycott when I eventually make it into Central Oz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, you know you&#8217;re keeping this post in front of readers by repeatedly commenting on it, don&#8217;t you?!</p>
<p>Thanks for that, I have a terrible memory and might have forgotten the name of the place to boycott when I eventually make it into Central Oz.</p>
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		<title>By: neutrality</title>
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		<dc:creator>neutrality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>y r  pssy and jst s clsd mndd s th ppl y r ccsng f y cnt vn prtn ppls pnns... fl srry fr y...disemvowel this y bgtd rcst lsr...

&lt;em&gt;[comment disemvowelled by moderator ~ tigtog]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>y r  pssy and jst s clsd mndd s th ppl y r ccsng f y cnt vn prtn ppls pnns&#8230; fl srry fr y&#8230;disemvowel this y bgtd rcst lsr&#8230;</p>
<p><em>[comment disemvowelled by moderator ~ tigtog]</em></p>
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		<title>By: neutrality</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20080311.1527/shame-file-haven-backpackers-resort-hostel-alice-springs/comment-page-2/#comment-60489</link>
		<dc:creator>neutrality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>k s hv styd t th hvnth wr wndrfl stff wh hlpd m fnd jb nd hm n lc sprngsfr tht m vr grtfl mt mzng trvllrs thr s wllfrm ll vr th wrldrpsfrcmlbrndldsydnth prt bt th ntrntnl trst stff s lm xcs cs n ts nt trhwvr wll s tht wht hppnd sms t b nthng mr thn bsnss dcsn blwn t f prprtnbng nrth mrcn s th rcsm crd gt plyd vr d nd ts gttng trd hv dlt wth mn brgnl ppl n strl nd mst f thm r wndrfl nd mzng ppl ls knw tht hvng bn mggd b fr f thm n dld nd thr n lc sprngs tht thr r sm t thr wh hv srs dslk f trstss hvng nl hrd n sd f th str m lft t spclt f nythng ctll hppnd btwn th grp f trsts wh md th cmplnt nd th grp f wmn wh wr skd t lv th hstlfrm bsnss stndpnt ts n brnr s th hstl mks ll ts mn frm th trsts wh cm t lcs f ths grp f trsts mks cmplnt bt th hvn t wll ffct th rpt ntrntnl bsnss mch mr thn grp cmng fr n stprhps ths wmn wr ld nd ggrssv s hv sn mn f th brgnl wmn hr bt th pnt whr tr t vd cntct wth thmsd t sth pnt s tht smn md bsnss dcsn nd t ws blwn w t f prprtnth hvn nd dvntr trs mk s mn ppls lflng drms cm tr b shwng thm th rl strl nd fr thm t b rcst r nt brgnl wld mk bsltl n snst sms rll shtt tht ppls rpttns nd lvlyhds r trnshd bcs smn m hv bn ctng lk n dt nd clld n t, thn dcdd t pl th rc crdth pnt s w nl gt n sd f th str nd thr s lwys mr thn n sd s bfr w dstr th rpttn f smn w shld knw wh th dd wht th dd bfr pssng jdgmntbt ls s clrl sn hr hmn ntr s t ts fnst whn w xpld t th frst sgn f smthng tht sms pltcll ncrrcty r ll mr thn wlcm bck n th rl wrld whnvr y chs t cm bck t t

&lt;em&gt;[Disemvoweled by mod. ~lauredhel]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>k s hv styd t th hvnth wr wndrfl stff wh hlpd m fnd jb nd hm n lc sprngsfr tht m vr grtfl mt mzng trvllrs thr s wllfrm ll vr th wrldrpsfrcmlbrndldsydnth prt bt th ntrntnl trst stff s lm xcs cs n ts nt trhwvr wll s tht wht hppnd sms t b nthng mr thn bsnss dcsn blwn t f prprtnbng nrth mrcn s th rcsm crd gt plyd vr d nd ts gttng trd hv dlt wth mn brgnl ppl n strl nd mst f thm r wndrfl nd mzng ppl ls knw tht hvng bn mggd b fr f thm n dld nd thr n lc sprngs tht thr r sm t thr wh hv srs dslk f trstss hvng nl hrd n sd f th str m lft t spclt f nythng ctll hppnd btwn th grp f trsts wh md th cmplnt nd th grp f wmn wh wr skd t lv th hstlfrm bsnss stndpnt ts n brnr s th hstl mks ll ts mn frm th trsts wh cm t lcs f ths grp f trsts mks cmplnt bt th hvn t wll ffct th rpt ntrntnl bsnss mch mr thn grp cmng fr n stprhps ths wmn wr ld nd ggrssv s hv sn mn f th brgnl wmn hr bt th pnt whr tr t vd cntct wth thmsd t sth pnt s tht smn md bsnss dcsn nd t ws blwn w t f prprtnth hvn nd dvntr trs mk s mn ppls lflng drms cm tr b shwng thm th rl strl nd fr thm t b rcst r nt brgnl wld mk bsltl n snst sms rll shtt tht ppls rpttns nd lvlyhds r trnshd bcs smn m hv bn ctng lk n dt nd clld n t, thn dcdd t pl th rc crdth pnt s w nl gt n sd f th str nd thr s lwys mr thn n sd s bfr w dstr th rpttn f smn w shld knw wh th dd wht th dd bfr pssng jdgmntbt ls s clrl sn hr hmn ntr s t ts fnst whn w xpld t th frst sgn f smthng tht sms pltcll ncrrcty r ll mr thn wlcm bck n th rl wrld whnvr y chs t cm bck t t</p>
<p><em>[Disemvoweled by mod. ~lauredhel]</em></p>
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		<title>By: angry</title>
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		<dc:creator>angry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 21:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe noone here has got personal...i havent bothered to read all of the comments, but there are people out there thaty have! and i find that downright disgraceful

Both sides - didnt haven release a statement that said they didnt ASK the people to leave? Did anyone perhaps take notice of this and think for a second..hmm mayne things were blown out of proportion..taken out of context etc?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe noone here has got personal&#8230;i havent bothered to read all of the comments, but there are people out there thaty have! and i find that downright disgraceful</p>
<p>Both sides &#8211; didnt haven release a statement that said they didnt ASK the people to leave? Did anyone perhaps take notice of this and think for a second..hmm mayne things were blown out of proportion..taken out of context etc?</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;because I have stayed at Haven and I know full well they are not racist people!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, all you know is that they did not behave towards &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; in a racist way.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Im all for people voicing their opinion but to get personal with the staff is just down right pathetic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who has got personal with the staff?  Nobody has mentioned the name of the manager who actually asked the group to leave.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Shame on the people who dont know where to draw the line! and the people that dont listen to both sides of the tale!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How much &quot;both sides&quot; can there be?  The group was there for well under an hour before they were asked to leave, and even Haven doesn&#039;t claim that they actually did anything wrong. Even the initial defence that other tourists staying there complained has been retracted. 

All they are left with is standing on their right to refuse service to anyone at their sole discretion.  They certainly have this right, but that doesn&#039;t mean that they are immune from criticism when they exercise that right in a racist way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>because I have stayed at Haven and I know full well they are not racist people!</p></blockquote>
<p>No, all you know is that they did not behave towards <i>you</i> in a racist way.</p>
<blockquote><p>Im all for people voicing their opinion but to get personal with the staff is just down right pathetic.</p></blockquote>
<p>Who has got personal with the staff?  Nobody has mentioned the name of the manager who actually asked the group to leave.</p>
<blockquote><p>Shame on the people who dont know where to draw the line! and the people that dont listen to both sides of the tale!</p></blockquote>
<p>How much &#8220;both sides&#8221; can there be?  The group was there for well under an hour before they were asked to leave, and even Haven doesn&#8217;t claim that they actually did anything wrong. Even the initial defence that other tourists staying there complained has been retracted. </p>
<p>All they are left with is standing on their right to refuse service to anyone at their sole discretion.  They certainly have this right, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that they are immune from criticism when they exercise that right in a racist way.</p>
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		<title>By: angry</title>
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		<dc:creator>angry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im actually really appalled at the backlash that Haven have received from this!! Not because i condone racist behaviour but because I have stayed at Haven and I know full well they are not racist people! Things have been taken out of context and people sometimes need to listen to both sides of the story!!

I myself come from a multi-cultural background and do not condone any sort of racist behaviour, but we are all more than aware of the way that the media can completley blow a story up to be something that it isnt, or make it seem so much worse than what it is!!
Im all for people voicing their opinion but to get personal with the staff is just down right pathetic.
Shame on the people who dont know where to draw the line! and the people that dont listen to both sides of the tale!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im actually really appalled at the backlash that Haven have received from this!! Not because i condone racist behaviour but because I have stayed at Haven and I know full well they are not racist people! Things have been taken out of context and people sometimes need to listen to both sides of the story!!</p>
<p>I myself come from a multi-cultural background and do not condone any sort of racist behaviour, but we are all more than aware of the way that the media can completley blow a story up to be something that it isnt, or make it seem so much worse than what it is!!<br />
Im all for people voicing their opinion but to get personal with the staff is just down right pathetic.<br />
Shame on the people who dont know where to draw the line! and the people that dont listen to both sides of the tale!</p>
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		<title>By: George Chell</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Chell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a US citizen who visited Australia once alone and three times with my mother and sister. We have been harrassed by only white panhandlers, and mostly in Melbourne and Sydney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a US citizen who visited Australia once alone and three times with my mother and sister. We have been harrassed by only white panhandlers, and mostly in Melbourne and Sydney.</p>
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		<title>By: anomymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anomymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hvn dd th rght thng s fr s m cncrnd. fnd  mtl nxt tm.

&lt;em&gt;[disemvoweled and given The Mark of the Troll by moderator]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hvn dd th rght thng s fr s m cncrnd. fnd  mtl nxt tm.</p>
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