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	<title>Comments on: Judge-endorsed abuse by protective services: more on the FLDS mother-child foster separation issue</title>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 06:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - it&#039;s definitely mixed-up and grey in all sorts of areas. How do we, as a society, cope with and help women who have been abused so much that they have trouble judging how to best protect their own children - but they&#039;re over the age of 18, and can&#039;t and shouldn&#039;t be judged &quot;incompetent&quot; under mental illness law?

Mainly, I&#039;m posting to try to remind people that there isn&#039;t really a black-and-white between &quot;safe&quot; and &quot;not-safe&quot; here, and that there really are competing priorities. Since the USA as a whole (and Australia&#039;s getting there) has this culture of &quot;Formula/bottlefeeding is just as good&quot;, breastfeeding seems to have completely disappeared as an actual consideration in emergency situations. 

Further example: New Orleans after the hurricane. There was a focus on getting formula into relief centres, which is fine as far as it goes, but was anyone going in assisting with relactation and expressing advice? Even tiny babies, around a week old, were being fed formula. Bloody dangerous in dirty-water, crowded situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; it&#8217;s definitely mixed-up and grey in all sorts of areas. How do we, as a society, cope with and help women who have been abused so much that they have trouble judging how to best protect their own children &#8211; but they&#8217;re over the age of 18, and can&#8217;t and shouldn&#8217;t be judged &#8220;incompetent&#8221; under mental illness law?</p>
<p>Mainly, I&#8217;m posting to try to remind people that there isn&#8217;t really a black-and-white between &#8220;safe&#8221; and &#8220;not-safe&#8221; here, and that there really are competing priorities. Since the USA as a whole (and Australia&#8217;s getting there) has this culture of &#8220;Formula/bottlefeeding is just as good&#8221;, breastfeeding seems to have completely disappeared as an actual consideration in emergency situations. </p>
<p>Further example: New Orleans after the hurricane. There was a focus on getting formula into relief centres, which is fine as far as it goes, but was anyone going in assisting with relactation and expressing advice? Even tiny babies, around a week old, were being fed formula. Bloody dangerous in dirty-water, crowded situations.</p>
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		<title>By: blue milk</title>
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		<dc:creator>blue milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 05:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We need to stop punishing girls and women, and their children, for reporting abuse and rape.&quot;

This is a great point, I had to stop and really think about this case all over again when I read that line of yours. I have mixed feelings about this particular instance generally. Just trying to sort it out inh my head - clearly the women are victims in this sect too, not just the children, but they&#039;re adults, if they can&#039;t participate in the rescue of these children from abuse then their rights to their children come second to their children&#039;s rights to safety from abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We need to stop punishing girls and women, and their children, for reporting abuse and rape.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a great point, I had to stop and really think about this case all over again when I read that line of yours. I have mixed feelings about this particular instance generally. Just trying to sort it out inh my head &#8211; clearly the women are victims in this sect too, not just the children, but they&#8217;re adults, if they can&#8217;t participate in the rescue of these children from abuse then their rights to their children come second to their children&#8217;s rights to safety from abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Bri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The breastfeeding comment really bothered me too. My daughter is 18 months old and still nursing  up a storm. I really feel for these mothers who have had their babies ripped away from them, especially those who are still nursing. The judge  needs to do some research before spouting off about something she obviously knows very little about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The breastfeeding comment really bothered me too. My daughter is 18 months old and still nursing  up a storm. I really feel for these mothers who have had their babies ripped away from them, especially those who are still nursing. The judge  needs to do some research before spouting off about something she obviously knows very little about.</p>
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