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	<title>Comments on: Follow up on NSW RSPCA Campaign: In which the NSW RSPCA continues to see Violated Women as a means to an end</title>
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		<title>By: Wednesday Linkblogging 14/05/08 (Slightly Late!) &#171; (Liminal) Spaces</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wednesday Linkblogging 14/05/08 (Slightly Late!) &#171; (Liminal) Spaces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 21:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Follow up on NSW RSPCA Campaign: In which the NSW RSPCA continues to see Violated Women as a means t... Guest-blogger at Hoyden, Su, points out that the RSPCA is willing to do what many animal-rights groups seem to - dehumanise women to get their point across. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Follow up on NSW RSPCA Campaign: In which the NSW RSPCA continues to see Violated Women as a means t&#8230; Guest-blogger at Hoyden, Su, points out that the RSPCA is willing to do what many animal-rights groups seem to &#8211; dehumanise women to get their point across. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: su</title>
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		<dc:creator>su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 03:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment crossed with yours, Helen.  Thanks!  

Yes I was clear in my email that I understood the basis for the ad but objected to the execution and gave reasons why.  I don&#039;t know if this is a standard reply that they are sending to all objectors, but ignoring the reasons for my concern and restating a link I had already acknowledged as valid just reinforces the impression that they gave no thought to the perspective of women when they approved this video.

Thanks for your comment, Y.  It would be interesting to know how many women donate to the RSPCA cf men, wouldn&#039;t it? Who exactly did they think their target market was? Commenter Witchywoo on Lauredhel&#039;s original post said their public relations department need some gender relations training - spot on I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment crossed with yours, Helen.  Thanks!  </p>
<p>Yes I was clear in my email that I understood the basis for the ad but objected to the execution and gave reasons why.  I don&#8217;t know if this is a standard reply that they are sending to all objectors, but ignoring the reasons for my concern and restating a link I had already acknowledged as valid just reinforces the impression that they gave no thought to the perspective of women when they approved this video.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment, Y.  It would be interesting to know how many women donate to the RSPCA cf men, wouldn&#8217;t it? Who exactly did they think their target market was? Commenter Witchywoo on Lauredhel&#8217;s original post said their public relations department need some gender relations training &#8211; spot on I think.</p>
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		<title>By: su</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20080511.1708/follow-up-on-nsw-rspca-campaign-in-which-the-nsw-rspca-continues-see-violated-women-as-a-means-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-30115</link>
		<dc:creator>su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 02:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Lauredhel!

Yep I was hoping that this was all some sort of mistake but those last paragraphs really felt like a &quot;you think that was bad well cop this, b*tch!&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Lauredhel!</p>
<p>Yep I was hoping that this was all some sort of mistake but those last paragraphs really felt like a &#8220;you think that was bad well cop this, b*tch!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20080511.1708/follow-up-on-nsw-rspca-campaign-in-which-the-nsw-rspca-continues-see-violated-women-as-a-means-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-30114</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 02:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Su, the second para of my comment made it clear I hadn&#039;t read the rest of your post - I didn&#039;t see the jump till I expanded it.

Yes you are spot on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Su, the second para of my comment made it clear I hadn&#8217;t read the rest of your post &#8211; I didn&#8217;t see the jump till I expanded it.</p>
<p>Yes you are spot on.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 02:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Su, lovely and long overdue to see you writing blog posts as well as comments. Hope it&#039;s the first of many.

As I am always wearily pointing out to people, animal abuse is a marker for future crimes against other humans. Although that is generally an argument needed for people who dismiss animal abuse as trivial, which doesn&#039;t entirely apply to the RSPCA, the RSPCA isn&#039;t taking this fact into account in the ad. In fact, for the kind of person who is poised to torture or kill animals and who would be likely to go on to injure or kill people, this ad would be more likely to give them ideas than anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Su, lovely and long overdue to see you writing blog posts as well as comments. Hope it&#8217;s the first of many.</p>
<p>As I am always wearily pointing out to people, animal abuse is a marker for future crimes against other humans. Although that is generally an argument needed for people who dismiss animal abuse as trivial, which doesn&#8217;t entirely apply to the RSPCA, the RSPCA isn&#8217;t taking this fact into account in the ad. In fact, for the kind of person who is poised to torture or kill animals and who would be likely to go on to injure or kill people, this ad would be more likely to give them ideas than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 02:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Su, lovely to have you guesting here!

That letter sickens me. You wrote to them about how triggering the graphic violence in the PSA is to victims of violence, so they wrote you back...  and the letter included more graphic, triggering first-person descriptions of violence from a murderder&#039;s mouth?

Assholes. OK, I had sorta hoped that they had just misjudged and would redeem themselves after the complaints, but no. They clearly don&#039;t give a shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Su, lovely to have you guesting here!</p>
<p>That letter sickens me. You wrote to them about how triggering the graphic violence in the PSA is to victims of violence, so they wrote you back&#8230;  and the letter included more graphic, triggering first-person descriptions of violence from a murderder&#8217;s mouth?</p>
<p>Assholes. OK, I had sorta hoped that they had just misjudged and would redeem themselves after the complaints, but no. They clearly don&#8217;t give a shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Y</title>
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		<dc:creator>Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why dehumanise women in an attempt to bring awareness to the plight of animals? 
*sigh*
I guess because it is &#039;vital&#039; in &#039;today&#039;s increasingly violent society&#039; to continue to portray gratuitous violence, to get the attention of violent abusers, and this will make them stop right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why dehumanise women in an attempt to bring awareness to the plight of animals?<br />
*sigh*<br />
I guess because it is &#8216;vital&#8217; in &#8216;today&#8217;s increasingly violent society&#8217; to continue to portray gratuitous violence, to get the attention of violent abusers, and this will make them stop right?</p>
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