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	<title>Comments on: Journalwatch: Indigenous people with lung cancer receive less treatment, die sooner</title>
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		<title>By: Wednesday Linkblogging 21/05/08 &#171; (Liminal) Spaces</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wednesday Linkblogging 21/05/08 &#171; (Liminal) Spaces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 13:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Journalwatch: Indigenous people with lung cancer receive less treatment, die sooner at Hoyden About ... Lauredhel takes a look at some recent research on disparities in health care between indigenous and non-indigenous folk. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Journalwatch: Indigenous people with lung cancer receive less treatment, die sooner at Hoyden About &#8230; Lauredhel takes a look at some recent research on disparities in health care between indigenous and non-indigenous folk. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Distance is such a huge factor.

Just a thought - could some elements of cancer treatment be made mobile? Maybe someone wouldn&#039;t want to leave their country but would be happier to sit in an air conditioned RV or bus to get their chemo.

And there&#039;s also the dearth of education and resources. If someone&#039;s illiterate and doesn&#039;t have access to information and can&#039;t evaluate that information, they won&#039;t be able to advocate for themselves or their loved ones effectively.

Some way of overcoming the tyranny of distance in remote communities to provide medical services, education and good nutrition is key I think. (I don&#039;t pretend to know how!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Distance is such a huge factor.</p>
<p>Just a thought &#8211; could some elements of cancer treatment be made mobile? Maybe someone wouldn&#8217;t want to leave their country but would be happier to sit in an air conditioned RV or bus to get their chemo.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s also the dearth of education and resources. If someone&#8217;s illiterate and doesn&#8217;t have access to information and can&#8217;t evaluate that information, they won&#8217;t be able to advocate for themselves or their loved ones effectively.</p>
<p>Some way of overcoming the tyranny of distance in remote communities to provide medical services, education and good nutrition is key I think. (I don&#8217;t pretend to know how!)</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts were that the hospital responded by being really inflexible. Basically stay and be treated or bugger off and die at home. Of course not all doctors and nurses were like that, but that&#039;s the general vibe I got. Of course, realistically it is difficult to be flexible enough to give everyone what they want.

I think the whole &#039;stolen generations&#039; thing is still having a huge impact on the Indigenous community and it will take a long time, and a huge shift in white attitudes before we really start to get anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts were that the hospital responded by being really inflexible. Basically stay and be treated or bugger off and die at home. Of course not all doctors and nurses were like that, but that&#8217;s the general vibe I got. Of course, realistically it is difficult to be flexible enough to give everyone what they want.</p>
<p>I think the whole &#8217;stolen generations&#8217; thing is still having a huge impact on the Indigenous community and it will take a long time, and a huge shift in white attitudes before we really start to get anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: su</title>
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		<dc:creator>su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I understand that distrust is a big problem and I guess I wonder about how flexible hospital services are in responding to that? 

The Early Childhood Intervention Programme that my children went to had assessed many indigenous children with developmental issues over the years but none of the families took up offers to attend the centre for classes.  Instead the staff built relationships over time with the local Koori childcare centre and their staff.  It was made really clear that the reason why no indigenous families would attend our centre was fear and distrust.  There were also huge communication issues.  Seemingly innocuous words like &quot;meeting&quot; and &quot;appointment&quot; were red flags for some indigenous people that their lives are going to be interfered with, that they could lose the power to make independent decisions and this is especially so in the case of their children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I understand that distrust is a big problem and I guess I wonder about how flexible hospital services are in responding to that? </p>
<p>The Early Childhood Intervention Programme that my children went to had assessed many indigenous children with developmental issues over the years but none of the families took up offers to attend the centre for classes.  Instead the staff built relationships over time with the local Koori childcare centre and their staff.  It was made really clear that the reason why no indigenous families would attend our centre was fear and distrust.  There were also huge communication issues.  Seemingly innocuous words like &#8220;meeting&#8221; and &#8220;appointment&#8221; were red flags for some indigenous people that their lives are going to be interfered with, that they could lose the power to make independent decisions and this is especially so in the case of their children.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is often reluctance among Indigenous people to seek or return to hospitals for treatment because they are afraid of dying away from their country. There is also distrust because a lot of them fear that the doctors will stop them from going home, which the doctors do because they need treatment in hospital. Whether this had led to doctors throwing up their hands and not trying as hard for indigenous patients, I don&#039;t know and having lived in Alice Springs I can confidently say that racism and established beliefs about Indigenous people affecting their treatment can&#039;t be ruled out, but I would argue that it&#039;s not all about racism. Lots of shades of grey in there.

Certainly the conditions that many would go &#039;home&#039; to, even in the town camps are abysmal and the threat of infection would be extremely high. Also getting adequate nutrition, medication, etc is probably going to be rather difficult.

It would be interesting to know more about the swimming pool effect. Did they make the kids shower before using the pool, or was it the effect of the chlorinated water or the &#039;bath&#039; effect of swimming that made the difference I wonder. It certainly suggests that the &#039;no school, no pool&#039; should be thrown out. It&#039;s easier to engage healthy kids in learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is often reluctance among Indigenous people to seek or return to hospitals for treatment because they are afraid of dying away from their country. There is also distrust because a lot of them fear that the doctors will stop them from going home, which the doctors do because they need treatment in hospital. Whether this had led to doctors throwing up their hands and not trying as hard for indigenous patients, I don&#8217;t know and having lived in Alice Springs I can confidently say that racism and established beliefs about Indigenous people affecting their treatment can&#8217;t be ruled out, but I would argue that it&#8217;s not all about racism. Lots of shades of grey in there.</p>
<p>Certainly the conditions that many would go &#8216;home&#8217; to, even in the town camps are abysmal and the threat of infection would be extremely high. Also getting adequate nutrition, medication, etc is probably going to be rather difficult.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to know more about the swimming pool effect. Did they make the kids shower before using the pool, or was it the effect of the chlorinated water or the &#8216;bath&#8217; effect of swimming that made the difference I wonder. It certainly suggests that the &#8216;no school, no pool&#8217; should be thrown out. It&#8217;s easier to engage healthy kids in learning.</p>
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		<title>By: su</title>
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		<dc:creator>su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it ignores some of the reasons that people will get into cannabis use in the first place ie. impoverishment of environment and attempts to self-medicate for anxiety and distress.  There has been a fair bit of research in recent years into how lack of appropriate sources of stimulation (through education or recreation or work) in one&#039;s environment can reinforce drug use.  And in some communities there is simply nothing much to do. 

That lung cancer survival study is a pretty strong indication of systemic racism isn&#039;t it?  I noticed that the cohorts were matched for rurality so remoteness can&#039;t really be a factor in treatment differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it ignores some of the reasons that people will get into cannabis use in the first place ie. impoverishment of environment and attempts to self-medicate for anxiety and distress.  There has been a fair bit of research in recent years into how lack of appropriate sources of stimulation (through education or recreation or work) in one&#8217;s environment can reinforce drug use.  And in some communities there is simply nothing much to do. </p>
<p>That lung cancer survival study is a pretty strong indication of systemic racism isn&#8217;t it?  I noticed that the cohorts were matched for rurality so remoteness can&#8217;t really be a factor in treatment differences.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today&#039;s news discusses the higher rates of depression and suicide in indigenous communities as well, and links it to higher cannabis consumption.

I know that chronic cannabis use &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; lead to psychoactive chemically mediated mental illness, but the media spin pushing &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; of the blame onto cannabis strikes me as more casting of the spectre of personal choices onto poor health outcomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s news discusses the higher rates of depression and suicide in indigenous communities as well, and links it to higher cannabis consumption.</p>
<p>I know that chronic cannabis use <i>can</i> lead to psychoactive chemically mediated mental illness, but the media spin pushing <i>all</i> of the blame onto cannabis strikes me as more casting of the spectre of personal choices onto poor health outcomes.</p>
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