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		<title>By: claratron</title>
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		<dc:creator>claratron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a hairy-legged queer feminist, I appreciate this so much! Thank-you.

When I came out (as a teenager!), I felt that it was my burden to be the femmiest femme on the block. I was probably hoping to win my fellow highschoolers over to feminism, but I recall feeling vastly uncomfortable and unreal doing so.

I guess my gender presentation is still more femme than butch, but I wear my hairy legs with pride.  Hairy ladies: We&#039;re misogynists&#039; worst nightmare!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a hairy-legged queer feminist, I appreciate this so much! Thank-you.</p>
<p>When I came out (as a teenager!), I felt that it was my burden to be the femmiest femme on the block. I was probably hoping to win my fellow highschoolers over to feminism, but I recall feeling vastly uncomfortable and unreal doing so.</p>
<p>I guess my gender presentation is still more femme than butch, but I wear my hairy legs with pride.  Hairy ladies: We&#8217;re misogynists&#8217; worst nightmare!</p>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>End of derail, please, folks. Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>End of derail, please, folks. Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: fuckpoliteness</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuckpoliteness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QJ: I never said that evolutionary psychology has all the answers. Dont be ridiculous and don’t put words in my mouth.

Ah, but we never said an awful LOT of the things you claimed we said, so it&#039;s a bit late for that really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QJ: I never said that evolutionary psychology has all the answers. Dont be ridiculous and don’t put words in my mouth.</p>
<p>Ah, but we never said an awful LOT of the things you claimed we said, so it&#8217;s a bit late for that really.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebekka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it may be because of the good old fashioned nature verses &quot;nuture&quot; mix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it may be because of the good old fashioned nature verses &#8220;nuture&#8221; mix.</p>
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		<title>By: quinnjin</title>
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		<dc:creator>quinnjin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, you know what? you guys were having an interesting debate and I did more or less fuck it up. Fair point, i&#039;m in the wrong place and Im not sure where I should be. I feel like a bull in a china shop... or an epileptic in a mine field. Take
your pick. Fuck politeness... i see why your so pissed, tho I dont validate your arguments, which seem to be no less ranting and flawed than my own. 
Of course I see how feminism is demonised in the dumb arse mainstream media. For me stereo typical images of feminism are not an issue. My issues are with aspects of feminism I either don&#039;t understand or simply disagree with.
The lack of coherence in my posts is probably not helped by my tendency to surf blogs at  4 ocklock in the morning. 
I also wish you could re-edit posts after they have been submitted.

I consider my self sufficiently chastised, okay? I realise I am new to this and that if I want to learn anything I need to be more humble. I am a hot head.  Famous for it. but not a moron. (I hope)
My apologies once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, you know what? you guys were having an interesting debate and I did more or less fuck it up. Fair point, i&#8217;m in the wrong place and Im not sure where I should be. I feel like a bull in a china shop&#8230; or an epileptic in a mine field. Take<br />
your pick. Fuck politeness&#8230; i see why your so pissed, tho I dont validate your arguments, which seem to be no less ranting and flawed than my own.<br />
Of course I see how feminism is demonised in the dumb arse mainstream media. For me stereo typical images of feminism are not an issue. My issues are with aspects of feminism I either don&#8217;t understand or simply disagree with.<br />
The lack of coherence in my posts is probably not helped by my tendency to surf blogs at  4 ocklock in the morning.<br />
I also wish you could re-edit posts after they have been submitted.</p>
<p>I consider my self sufficiently chastised, okay? I realise I am new to this and that if I want to learn anything I need to be more humble. I am a hot head.  Famous for it. but not a moron. (I hope)<br />
My apologies once again.</p>
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		<title>By: quinnjin</title>
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		<dc:creator>quinnjin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[giant snip ~L]

It is obvious that this is not the place to debate the questions I&#039;m asking.

[More snip. Cheers for that brief moment of clarity, quinnjin. Seeya. ~L. ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[giant snip ~L]</p>
<p>It is obvious that this is not the place to debate the questions I&#8217;m asking.</p>
<p>[More snip. Cheers for that brief moment of clarity, quinnjin. Seeya. ~L. ]</p>
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		<title>By: fuckpoliteness</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuckpoliteness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention his annoyance with these &#039;sights&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention his annoyance with these &#8217;sights&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: QoT</title>
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		<dc:creator>QoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeeeeeeeeez, Rebekka, attack the *idea* not the *spelling*! I mean, it&#039;s not like we can judge a person based on their utter lack of regard for communicating clearly, or how they apparently choose to present themselves in a written forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeeeeeeeeez, Rebekka, attack the *idea* not the *spelling*! I mean, it&#8217;s not like we can judge a person based on their utter lack of regard for communicating clearly, or how they apparently choose to present themselves in a written forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebekka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;illogical rantings on the failings of feminism are irritating, jarrings in their lack of logic, and jam packed with annoying things to rebut that would take all effing day to tease out: they’re jumbles, mish mashes of arrogance, false arguments, A Current Affair style ‘critical thinking’ and a liberal helping of aggressive rude assertions&quot;

With a side-order of bad spelling and punctuation. Apparently, we&#039;re all members of a &quot;click&quot;, who have no &quot;rebuttle&quot; for anything and keep giving each other a &quot;&quot;hi five&quot; (but not &quot;hi fiving&quot; teh menz, because we hates teh menz with only &quot;thinly veiled misandry&quot;) and apostrophes have been rendered obsolete by the feminist revolution that destroyed the patriarchy, and also apostrophes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;illogical rantings on the failings of feminism are irritating, jarrings in their lack of logic, and jam packed with annoying things to rebut that would take all effing day to tease out: they’re jumbles, mish mashes of arrogance, false arguments, A Current Affair style ‘critical thinking’ and a liberal helping of aggressive rude assertions&#8221;</p>
<p>With a side-order of bad spelling and punctuation. Apparently, we&#8217;re all members of a &#8220;click&#8221;, who have no &#8220;rebuttle&#8221; for anything and keep giving each other a &#8220;&#8221;hi five&#8221; (but not &#8220;hi fiving&#8221; teh menz, because we hates teh menz with only &#8220;thinly veiled misandry&#8221;) and apostrophes have been rendered obsolete by the feminist revolution that destroyed the patriarchy, and also apostrophes.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda makes very good points, and more patiently than the rest of us have done. 

Quinn, I admit that I am bringing baggage from your existing posts on FF101 and then you deciding to do an off-topic drive-by here to my responses to you, although I feel that mine is an understandable reaction.

You do appear to be regurgitating backlash talking points, which we are quite naturally rather sick of hearing.  This is not a 101 blog.  You&#039;ve already been pointed to a blog that&#039;s dedicated to Feminism 101 and addressing these talking points that disrupt ongoing feminist discussions.  If you really want to have answers, engage over there within the bounds of the Comments Policy and give it a proper go.

 Your questions/assertions/challenges are not on topic for this post, and we do not tolerate derailments here.  If you insist on engaging with old backlash tropes here, how about you try the &lt;a href=&quot;http://viv.id.au/blog/20070414.431/anti-feminist-bingo-a-master-class-in-sexual-entitlement/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Antifeminist Bingo&lt;/a&gt; post?  At least you would be on topic on that thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda makes very good points, and more patiently than the rest of us have done. </p>
<p>Quinn, I admit that I am bringing baggage from your existing posts on FF101 and then you deciding to do an off-topic drive-by here to my responses to you, although I feel that mine is an understandable reaction.</p>
<p>You do appear to be regurgitating backlash talking points, which we are quite naturally rather sick of hearing.  This is not a 101 blog.  You&#8217;ve already been pointed to a blog that&#8217;s dedicated to Feminism 101 and addressing these talking points that disrupt ongoing feminist discussions.  If you really want to have answers, engage over there within the bounds of the Comments Policy and give it a proper go.</p>
<p> Your questions/assertions/challenges are not on topic for this post, and we do not tolerate derailments here.  If you insist on engaging with old backlash tropes here, how about you try the <a href="http://viv.id.au/blog/20070414.431/anti-feminist-bingo-a-master-class-in-sexual-entitlement/" rel="nofollow">Antifeminist Bingo</a> post?  At least you would be on topic on that thread.</p>
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