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	<title>Comments on: Ad Standards Bureau agrees with Jim Beam that lesbianism is a &#8220;tragedy&#8221;.</title>
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		<title>By: pynchme</title>
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		<dc:creator>pynchme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Laured. I agree with what you&#039;re saying but my son doesn&#039;t hate anyone - much less chubbs or foreigners.  Always difficult to quote someone verbatim and comment succinctly.  Bleh. No doubt why I don&#039;t bother to make a blog of my own :)

I guess he just doesn&#039;t understand why she would prefer a certain type of bloke.

As to accents; I read that the woman in the ad is Australian and that the accent was contrived. If so, then I am speculating as to the motive for doing that - they are, afterall, trying to appeal to a certain mindset. I think that the assumption of stupidity of non-English speaking women is as much a part of misogynistic thinking as anything else.

Anyway, I am glad that he didn&#039;t find the ad appealing and that he couldn&#039;t see why she would be an ideal girlfriend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Laured. I agree with what you&#8217;re saying but my son doesn&#8217;t hate anyone &#8211; much less chubbs or foreigners.  Always difficult to quote someone verbatim and comment succinctly.  Bleh. No doubt why I don&#8217;t bother to make a blog of my own :)</p>
<p>I guess he just doesn&#8217;t understand why she would prefer a certain type of bloke.</p>
<p>As to accents; I read that the woman in the ad is Australian and that the accent was contrived. If so, then I am speculating as to the motive for doing that &#8211; they are, afterall, trying to appeal to a certain mindset. I think that the assumption of stupidity of non-English speaking women is as much a part of misogynistic thinking as anything else.</p>
<p>Anyway, I am glad that he didn&#8217;t find the ad appealing and that he couldn&#8217;t see why she would be an ideal girlfriend.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you like the blog, pynchme. I&#039;m not convinced, however, that fat-hate and the assumption that women with Eastern European accents are &quot;stupid&quot; is a laudable substitute for misogyny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you like the blog, pynchme. I&#8217;m not convinced, however, that fat-hate and the assumption that women with Eastern European accents are &#8220;stupid&#8221; is a laudable substitute for misogyny.</p>
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		<title>By: pynchme</title>
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		<dc:creator>pynchme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to let you all know that not all adult men like the girlfriend ad or relate to women that way.  My 20 yr old son just said, &quot;Why would she like fat guys who go to strip clubs? What&#039;s wrong with her ?&quot;  He thought she seemed stupid (I think the accent was purposely used to instil that impression) and said it was annoying.

I am most annoyed at the arrogance and purposeful blindness of the ad company; Jim Beam and the Standards mob. It&#039;s bad enough that they are promoting alcohol use, but as you&#039;ve all noted so eloquently, they are also appealing to and perpetuating idiot stereotypes.  Wouldn&#039;t it be wonderful if their sales dropped...  my son (and daughters) give me hope that one day sales will drop when ads like this are used.

(Great blog and comments btw).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to let you all know that not all adult men like the girlfriend ad or relate to women that way.  My 20 yr old son just said, &#8220;Why would she like fat guys who go to strip clubs? What&#8217;s wrong with her ?&#8221;  He thought she seemed stupid (I think the accent was purposely used to instil that impression) and said it was annoying.</p>
<p>I am most annoyed at the arrogance and purposeful blindness of the ad company; Jim Beam and the Standards mob. It&#8217;s bad enough that they are promoting alcohol use, but as you&#8217;ve all noted so eloquently, they are also appealing to and perpetuating idiot stereotypes.  Wouldn&#8217;t it be wonderful if their sales dropped&#8230;  my son (and daughters) give me hope that one day sales will drop when ads like this are used.</p>
<p>(Great blog and comments btw).</p>
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		<title>By: 5th Down Under Feminists Carnival &#171; HellOnHairyLegs</title>
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		<dc:creator>5th Down Under Feminists Carnival &#171; HellOnHairyLegs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] observed that the Ad Standards Bureau agrees with Jim Bean that lesbianism is a tragedy. Richie at Crimitism admits to seeing the movie Step [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suze - I totally agree. I&#039;m not sure that I&#039;d even call it a dog-whistle; it seems the obvious text to me, rather than subtle subtext. Nothing funny or silly about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suze &#8211; I totally agree. I&#8217;m not sure that I&#8217;d even call it a dog-whistle; it seems the obvious text to me, rather than subtle subtext. Nothing funny or silly about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Suze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the choice of an Eastern European accent in the third ad was very deliberate, not just an attempt to up the &quot;silliness.&quot; I agree that the sex-trafficking implications mentioned by zooeyibz are disturbing, but I had another thought when I heard the accent.

I don&#039;t know if this is a problem in Australia, but at least in the United States, there&#039;s a sort of fetishization of Eastern European men among the worst women-haters. These MRAs say you should never marry an American women because we&#039;ve all been &quot;ruined&quot; by feminism. The thought is that mail-order brides from Russia, Romania, etc. will be more &quot;traditional,&quot; more submissive, so they&#039;ll be less likely to demand decent treatment from their husbands, especially because they&#039;re so grateful just to be in the U.S. So I think there&#039;s a sort of dog-whistle in the whiskey ad: Not only will this gorgeous (white) woman not mind if you go to the strip club, she&#039;ll be waiting at home to cook you a four-course meal and then blow you. And she had no needs of her own.

Of course, there&#039;s a darker side to this, as well. Although it&#039;s not as explicitly stated, I think another reason mail-order brides appeal to the worst misogynists is that they&#039;ll be less likely to seek help if their husbands mistreat them. After all, they have no family nearby, they may not speak English well, and they may come from countries where you really can&#039;t trust the cops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the choice of an Eastern European accent in the third ad was very deliberate, not just an attempt to up the &#8220;silliness.&#8221; I agree that the sex-trafficking implications mentioned by zooeyibz are disturbing, but I had another thought when I heard the accent.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is a problem in Australia, but at least in the United States, there&#8217;s a sort of fetishization of Eastern European men among the worst women-haters. These MRAs say you should never marry an American women because we&#8217;ve all been &#8220;ruined&#8221; by feminism. The thought is that mail-order brides from Russia, Romania, etc. will be more &#8220;traditional,&#8221; more submissive, so they&#8217;ll be less likely to demand decent treatment from their husbands, especially because they&#8217;re so grateful just to be in the U.S. So I think there&#8217;s a sort of dog-whistle in the whiskey ad: Not only will this gorgeous (white) woman not mind if you go to the strip club, she&#8217;ll be waiting at home to cook you a four-course meal and then blow you. And she had no needs of her own.</p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;s a darker side to this, as well. Although it&#8217;s not as explicitly stated, I think another reason mail-order brides appeal to the worst misogynists is that they&#8217;ll be less likely to seek help if their husbands mistreat them. After all, they have no family nearby, they may not speak English well, and they may come from countries where you really can&#8217;t trust the cops.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophia G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophia G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly find none of these offensive.  I tend to cut humorous things a lot of slack, I guess. Many funny, if not most, things are funny because they touch upon things that are naughty, offensive, or horrible.  Because all of these involve such exaggeration and parody, it is hard to take them to heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly find none of these offensive.  I tend to cut humorous things a lot of slack, I guess. Many funny, if not most, things are funny because they touch upon things that are naughty, offensive, or horrible.  Because all of these involve such exaggeration and parody, it is hard to take them to heart.</p>
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		<title>By: outfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>outfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Stalker is standard chauvanist insecurity projection: fantasizing the unattainably sexy women as shamed stalker. 

Not quite at Fatal Attraction bunny time level; more in the tone of guys who say; &quot;gee I WISH some hot babe would stalk me!&quot; then joke about how desperate women are, drink spiked rape would just be &quot;free&quot; sex etc.  

It switches the &quot;crime&quot; in gazes from actual crimes that chauvanists feel entitled to; to the perceived social &quot;crime&quot; of women daring to act as intensely towards chauvanists as they&#039;re treated. 

Mmajor sexist affirmation in wanting to laugh at fears of women&#039;s &quot;neediness&quot; [mad-hatter crazy, pathetic, stalker] while STILL accessing her cleavage for the unseen male audience. 

Jungian alcholic sexism, woot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Stalker is standard chauvanist insecurity projection: fantasizing the unattainably sexy women as shamed stalker. </p>
<p>Not quite at Fatal Attraction bunny time level; more in the tone of guys who say; &#8220;gee I WISH some hot babe would stalk me!&#8221; then joke about how desperate women are, drink spiked rape would just be &#8220;free&#8221; sex etc.  </p>
<p>It switches the &#8220;crime&#8221; in gazes from actual crimes that chauvanists feel entitled to; to the perceived social &#8220;crime&#8221; of women daring to act as intensely towards chauvanists as they&#8217;re treated. </p>
<p>Mmajor sexist affirmation in wanting to laugh at fears of women&#8217;s &#8220;neediness&#8221; [mad-hatter crazy, pathetic, stalker] while STILL accessing her cleavage for the unseen male audience. </p>
<p>Jungian alcholic sexism, woot!</p>
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		<title>By: A post of half-formed thoughts&#8230; &#171; Fuck Politeness</title>
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		<dc:creator>A post of half-formed thoughts&#8230; &#171; Fuck Politeness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hoyden About Town has a discussion of a Jim Beam ad which relies for it&#8217;s humour on the fact that two really hot chicks are lesbians - it&#8217;s entitled The Tragedy. It&#8217;s part of an ongoing campaign which trivialises stalking and makes stalking &#8216;fun and funny&#8217;, and which suggests that women all really ought to be compliant, brainless, opinionless, human sex robots- the perfect girlfried is an automaton that thinks her piggish muntheaded man can do no wrong&#8230;ahaha! Oh women, they&#8217;re so ANNOYING, and stupid, and they EXPECT things, and they hate it when I&#8217;m a prick! God, wouldn&#8217;t a sex slave who thought I was the shit be great. Yeah, that&#8217;s what ALL women should be&#8230;and yeah of course&#8230;it&#8217;s a tragedy for men that two hot chicks would dig each other and not them. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hoyden About Town has a discussion of a Jim Beam ad which relies for it&#8217;s humour on the fact that two really hot chicks are lesbians &#8211; it&#8217;s entitled The Tragedy. It&#8217;s part of an ongoing campaign which trivialises stalking and makes stalking &#8216;fun and funny&#8217;, and which suggests that women all really ought to be compliant, brainless, opinionless, human sex robots- the perfect girlfried is an automaton that thinks her piggish muntheaded man can do no wrong&#8230;ahaha! Oh women, they&#8217;re so ANNOYING, and stupid, and they EXPECT things, and they hate it when I&#8217;m a prick! God, wouldn&#8217;t a sex slave who thought I was the shit be great. Yeah, that&#8217;s what ALL women should be&#8230;and yeah of course&#8230;it&#8217;s a tragedy for men that two hot chicks would dig each other and not them. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rainne</title>
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		<dc:creator>rainne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Jim Beam&#039;s defence that &#039;[women] take it for granted that a brand like Jim Beam would make a joke like this&#039;.  Oh.  Well.  If women have resigned themselves to this treatment, it must be alright.  Sorry we mentioned anything.  Carry on.

Gomez, I&#039;m not sure which part of your post is the most hilarious, but I&#039;m going to have to go with &#039;majority&#039;.

If only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Jim Beam&#8217;s defence that &#8216;[women] take it for granted that a brand like Jim Beam would make a joke like this&#8217;.  Oh.  Well.  If women have resigned themselves to this treatment, it must be alright.  Sorry we mentioned anything.  Carry on.</p>
<p>Gomez, I&#8217;m not sure which part of your post is the most hilarious, but I&#8217;m going to have to go with &#8216;majority&#8217;.</p>
<p>If only.</p>
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