If only we’d realised it was that easy

by tigtog on October 9, 2008

in blogging, gender & feminism

Yet another unpublished email from yet another concern troll over at FF101:

darla (email address redacted)

I think all women should embrace the fact that God made us different for a reason, stop being mad. you kind of women is what actually hurts women.

From FAQ: Aren’t feminists just sexists towards men?

OK, all you kind of women. Stop being mad. Just stop it. Then no women will ever be actually hurt anywhere ever again.

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1
Beppie October 9, 2008 at 9:05 am

Wow, I’m blown away.

It’s amazing how one badly punctuated and grammatically incorrect message can open one’s eyes to the evils of feminism!

[/snark]

2
Mindy October 9, 2008 at 9:30 am

Ohhh, it’s all my fault, silly little me. Of course I’ll stop. As soon as violence towards women stops. Deal?

3
Bene October 9, 2008 at 9:32 am

Well, shoot. It’s a little cold to be barefoot, and one’d have to speak with Mr. Bene about the pregnant thing…so I guess darla is SOL.

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fuckpoliteness October 9, 2008 at 10:07 am

Beppie @ 1 – glad that you also pointed out the grammar issues. “you kind of women is what actually hurts women”? Sentence construction courtesy of George W?

Plus – really? It’s us who rape women? It’s us who beat our wives? It’s us who post naked chicks up around the workplace and make running comments on the inferiority of women? We really are some busy, busy feminists.

5
Pavlov's Cat October 9, 2008 at 11:22 am

She says God made us different or a reason but she doesn’t say what that reason is. I find that suspicious.

It’s also a very revealing comment in that it implies that she believes the goal of feminists is to be the same as men. I’m not sure how this common misconception gained traction but it may have something to do with the notion that being a man is everyone’s ultimate goal. This is where Freud fell down badly.

Fuckpoliteness, I’ve observed there’s an almost exact correlation between the degree of right-wingness/sexism/racism/homophobia of expressed opinions and the degree of people’s inability to construct and write a sentence. I wonder if God made that difference for a reason too.

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Pavlov's Cat October 9, 2008 at 11:24 am

for a reason.

Pav’s Law #85: if you’re snarking in a comment about someone else’s level of literacy, you will inevitably make a mistake yourself.

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Laura October 9, 2008 at 11:25 am

lol Pav. Illiteracy, not a bug but a feature!

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fuckpoliteness October 9, 2008 at 11:34 am

Oh, I’m SUCH a believer in Pavlov’s Law # 85 – sometimes referred to as The Extreme Embarrasment Caused by the Inevitability Of Egg on the Face Right When You’re at your Haughtiest…but Pavlov’s Law #85 is catchier.

fuckpolitenesss last blog post..Paper suggestions: msm and the use of extreme photos to make points

9
Renee October 9, 2008 at 12:56 pm

The idea that if women were to suddenly stop resisting that men would become less violent is ridiculous. Her arguments are victim blaming 101.

Renees last blog post..That One Indeed

10
lala October 9, 2008 at 12:59 pm

I hear this all the time, and sadly, I often hear it from women. It makes me sad. :-(

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rpg October 9, 2008 at 3:17 pm

…almost exact correlation between the degree of right-wingness/sexism/racism/homophobia of expressed opinions and the degree of people’s inability to construct and write a sentence. I wonder if God made that difference for a reason too.

y’know Pav, that actually makes a great deal of sense. I can just imagine the Almighty sitting down thinking “shit, what did we do there, and how can we fix it?” and then coming up with “That’s it! We’ll be it obvious these people are fuckwits”.

12
rpg October 9, 2008 at 3:19 pm

har har! s/We’ll be it/We’ll make it/;

There is no preview. Bad Hoydens.

13
calyx October 9, 2008 at 9:31 pm

I came across a great quote at Womanist Musings from Maya Angelou the other day: “Children’s talent to endure stems from their ignorance of alternatives.”

Seems that what feminism has done is shown women alternatives, and we are less able to endure what happens to us. This is what Darla is saying, more or less, I think. Ignorance ain’t bliss, it’s a dull meek hopelessness. Better to live on your knees. Where god and man placed you!

I do have to say that there are some class/cultural issues with talking about literacy as if it’s an inherent sign of stupidity. And I definitely think that tertiary education and inner white suburbs of major cities encourage one to keep one’s bigoted opinions close to one’s chest and wrapped in smooth words unlikely to overtly offend.

14
Laura October 9, 2008 at 9:52 pm

I don’t regard illiteracy as an inherent sign of stupidity; it may equally well be learned, or acquired through other means.

15
dolia October 9, 2008 at 10:37 pm

Weighing in on using not having “learnt to grammar” as a wingnut marker, perhaps it’s not so much “illiteracy” as a sublime recognition of one’s absoloute unquestionable rightness in everything that convinces one that proofreading is unneccessary…..

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tigtog October 9, 2008 at 11:27 pm

Seems that what feminism has done is shown women alternatives, and we are less able to endure what happens to us.

I think you’ve got something there, calyx. Unlike Darla, I think this is a good thing.

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Rebekka October 10, 2008 at 10:17 am

Weighing in further on not having “learnt to grammar” as a wingnut marker, I am absolutely convinced that ability to grammar (ha ha) is based on how much you read material that’s properly grammared. I submit, therefore, that the crazy right-wingnuts have (a) never read anything that might disrupt their world-view (thus ruling out most of the world’s literature and media) and (b) have therefore only read things written by other crazies, which is by definition not properly grammared.

So it’s ignorance, and narrow-mindedness, not stupidity.

18
MsLaurie October 10, 2008 at 10:39 am

Which to my mind, makes it very indefensible. Stupidity, you can’t help. Ignorance, you can.

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Pavlov's Cat October 10, 2008 at 1:30 pm

Calyx, that is a brilliant point about alternatives.

On the literacy/class marker thing, yes of course that is an issue and I agree up to a certain point. But that idea has far less power than it did in the days before free(ish) basic education became the ideal/norm in the west, ie in the 19th century.

And what I do not agree about is the idea that one should therefore not mention it, when it is so crystal clear that on the whole (though of course there are exceptions) one has to be someone who rarely reads or writes in order to be someone with right-wing views.

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cireena Simcox October 11, 2008 at 3:37 am

I know Lauredhel has wandered over to OLO at times where the correlation between right-wing absurdists and illiteracy is brilliantly illustrated on a daily basis.

What strikes me as rather quaint however, is that in the no-holds barred world of on-line opinions posters can accuse each other of being conspiracists, fundies, liars, misogynists, idiots, red-necks etc. But to accuse anyone of errors of syntax, grammar or spelling is unilaterally considered to be beyond the Pale. It just isn’t done, and draws hisses of outrage from all corners.

Accusations of being elitist, latte-sipping (I, personally LOATHE latte)and inhabiting ivory towers are casually accepted however, as being perfectly acceptable markers of the ‘loonie left’.

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