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	<title>Comments on: Friday Hoyden: Melissa McEwan</title>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20081114.2602/friday-hoyden-melissa-mcewan/comment-page-1/#comment-128188</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liss.  Is.  Awesome.

!!11!!!1!!!1!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liss.  Is.  Awesome.</p>
<p>!!11!!!1!!!1!!!</p>
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		<title>By: orlando</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20081114.2602/friday-hoyden-melissa-mcewan/comment-page-1/#comment-128150</link>
		<dc:creator>orlando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we get back to talking about how awesome Liss is?
(Though I confess I find myself oddly curious about that redacted word.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we get back to talking about how awesome Liss is?<br />
(Though I confess I find myself oddly curious about that redacted word.)</p>
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		<title>By: MariaMoria</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20081114.2602/friday-hoyden-melissa-mcewan/comment-page-1/#comment-128076</link>
		<dc:creator>MariaMoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops! Sorry. I didn&#039;t see that at all when I wrote it.</description>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20081114.2602/friday-hoyden-melissa-mcewan/comment-page-1/#comment-128075</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;http://viv.id.au/blog/20081114.2602/friday-hoyden-melissa-mcewan/#comment-128073&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; MariaMoria&lt;/a&gt;:

Maria, if you take another look at that portmanteau word you coined, and split its two parts apart just ever so slightly differently, it has a very sexual meaning.  We already get enough spam from porn sites here, that&#039;s why I redacted it.  Nothing at all to do with its offensiveness rating, which was moderate at worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://viv.id.au/blog/20081114.2602/friday-hoyden-melissa-mcewan/#comment-128073" rel="nofollow"> MariaMoria</a>:</p>
<p>Maria, if you take another look at that portmanteau word you coined, and split its two parts apart just ever so slightly differently, it has a very sexual meaning.  We already get enough spam from porn sites here, that&#8217;s why I redacted it.  Nothing at all to do with its offensiveness rating, which was moderate at worst.</p>
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		<title>By: MariaMoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>MariaMoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries, tigtog. 
Sorry about the incorrect attribution of USAness. I&#039;d already noticed that the blog was Australian (with the .au and all), but when lauredhel assumed I was talking about the USA I assumed that she was American. That part of my comment was wrong. 

I still wasn&#039;t talking about the USA though, nor suggesting that Americans oppress &#039;the religious&#039;.  So her suggestion that I might want to examine that assumption is still off base, in that I don&#039;t actually assume that.

A better comment than my last &#039;p.s.&#039; would have been the one I considered but rejected in favour of brevity:

&quot;—- [and while you&#039;re there, MariaMoria, you might want to examine your assumption that religious folk are an oppressed, marginalised group in the Yoo Ess of Ay.]—-&quot;

This seems to imply that religious folk &lt;i&gt;aren&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; an oppressed marginalised group in the USA, which is only really true if you mean &#039;Christian&#039; when you say &#039;religious&#039;, or at a stretch, Jewish. As I understand people of other religions are often oppressed and marginalised in America. 

p.s. Sorry about coining and using that word you redacted, I didn&#039;t even think about whether you&#039;d want that word on your website, what with me making it up and all. I won&#039;t use it again.
It makes me a little sad though that my made up word that has no meaning at all, but sounds unambiguously rude to women (or at least the group of women it&#039;s meant to refer to) is considered worthy of removal, but godbag wasn&#039;t, even though it&#039;s a real word which is an insult for a certain group of religious people and sounds only slightly ambiguously rude to most religious people, and I used it several times.
I guess not everyone can be as wonderfully inoffensive and so willing to avoid using words that upset other people (whether or not that offense seems &#039;reasonable&#039; to me) as I am. I&#039;ll just be in the corner here, blowing on this old trumpet of mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, tigtog.<br />
Sorry about the incorrect attribution of USAness. I&#8217;d already noticed that the blog was Australian (with the .au and all), but when lauredhel assumed I was talking about the USA I assumed that she was American. That part of my comment was wrong. </p>
<p>I still wasn&#8217;t talking about the USA though, nor suggesting that Americans oppress &#8216;the religious&#8217;.  So her suggestion that I might want to examine that assumption is still off base, in that I don&#8217;t actually assume that.</p>
<p>A better comment than my last &#8216;p.s.&#8217; would have been the one I considered but rejected in favour of brevity:</p>
<p>&#8220;—- [and while you're there, MariaMoria, you might want to examine your assumption that religious folk are an oppressed, marginalised group in the Yoo Ess of Ay.]—-&#8221;</p>
<p>This seems to imply that religious folk <i>aren&#8217;t</i> an oppressed marginalised group in the USA, which is only really true if you mean &#8216;Christian&#8217; when you say &#8216;religious&#8217;, or at a stretch, Jewish. As I understand people of other religions are often oppressed and marginalised in America. </p>
<p>p.s. Sorry about coining and using that word you redacted, I didn&#8217;t even think about whether you&#8217;d want that word on your website, what with me making it up and all. I won&#8217;t use it again.<br />
It makes me a little sad though that my made up word that has no meaning at all, but sounds unambiguously rude to women (or at least the group of women it&#8217;s meant to refer to) is considered worthy of removal, but godbag wasn&#8217;t, even though it&#8217;s a real word which is an insult for a certain group of religious people and sounds only slightly ambiguously rude to most religious people, and I used it several times.<br />
I guess not everyone can be as wonderfully inoffensive and so willing to avoid using words that upset other people (whether or not that offense seems &#8216;reasonable&#8217; to me) as I am. I&#8217;ll just be in the corner here, blowing on this old trumpet of mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whereas we don&#039;t mind being mistaken for Canadians. :)</description>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh hi, Mindy - our comments crossed.  Sorry to look like a pile-on, Maria - but accusing Australians of being American is even worse than assuming it of a Canadian!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh hi, Mindy &#8211; our comments crossed.  Sorry to look like a pile-on, Maria &#8211; but accusing Australians of being American is even worse than assuming it of a Canadian!</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;http://viv.id.au/blog/20081114.2602/friday-hoyden-melissa-mcewan/#comment-128044&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; MariaMoria&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;p.s. you might want to examine your assumption that I’m talking about the ol’ Yoo Ess of Ay. I have nothing against Americans but everything is not about you all the time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

BZZZT.  Thank you for playing, please pick up your consolation LOLCat as you leave the podium.

Hoyden About Town is not a USAn blog.  Shakesville is a USAn blog. Both blogs talk quite clearly about their history on their About pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://viv.id.au/blog/20081114.2602/friday-hoyden-melissa-mcewan/#comment-128044" rel="nofollow"> MariaMoria</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>p.s. you might want to examine your assumption that I’m talking about the ol’ Yoo Ess of Ay. I have nothing against Americans but everything is not about you all the time.</p></blockquote>
<p>BZZZT.  Thank you for playing, please pick up your consolation LOLCat as you leave the podium.</p>
<p>Hoyden About Town is not a USAn blog.  Shakesville is a USAn blog. Both blogs talk quite clearly about their history on their About pages.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We aren&#039;t Americans either, but Shakesville is an American blog hence the Yoo Ess of Ay comment. 

Believe me, we know it&#039;s not about us all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We aren&#8217;t Americans either, but Shakesville is an American blog hence the Yoo Ess of Ay comment. </p>
<p>Believe me, we know it&#8217;s not about us all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: MariaMoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>MariaMoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>----   [and while you&#039;re there, MariaMoria, you might want to examine your assumption that religious folk are an oppressed, marginalised group in the Yoo Ess of Ay.]----

It&#039;s ok I know they aren&#039;t. I don&#039;t think that any website that uses derogatory terms for any group, oppressed or not, is a safe space for members of that group, or other groups that feel that sort of speech is hateful.

p.s. you might want to examine your assumption that I&#039;m talking about the ol&#039;  Yoo Ess of Ay. I have nothing against Americans but everything is not about you all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;-   [and while you're there, MariaMoria, you might want to examine your assumption that religious folk are an oppressed, marginalised group in the Yoo Ess of Ay.]&#8212;-</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ok I know they aren&#8217;t. I don&#8217;t think that any website that uses derogatory terms for any group, oppressed or not, is a safe space for members of that group, or other groups that feel that sort of speech is hateful.</p>
<p>p.s. you might want to examine your assumption that I&#8217;m talking about the ol&#8217;  Yoo Ess of Ay. I have nothing against Americans but everything is not about you all the time.</p>
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