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24 responses to “Infant formula industry fights back in China, lies about WHO Code breaches”

  1. tigtog

    Unfortunately, I can’t tell you about any infant formula product from a company that doesn’t breach the WHO Code and lie about it yet. As far as I can tell? They all do.

    The Code has no teeth, that’s why. And nobody with the ability to give it teeth wants it to have any.

  2. Chris

    I can understand that you wouldn’t want advertising of formula as being superior to breastfeeding, but given that some mothers are unable to breastfeed and it can be a great backup, it seems a bit strange to attempt to ban advertising of it completely.

  3. Chris

    Lauredhel – for the same reasons that you normally allow advertising of products. In this case awareness of the existence of formula and comparisons between different types of formula.

  4. Chris

    I do realise that advertising of infant formula is controversial and am aware of at least some of the history behind the Nestle boycott. I wasn’t suggesting that the companies weren’t following the code properly or even the spirit of the code, was just questioning whether the code goes too far.

    However, I would suggest that there is enough guilt placed on mothers who are unable to breastfeed without making out that formula feeding is so dangerous that it shouldn’t be advertised or that it can’t be considered “normal”. It might not be as good as breastfeeding but it it should be accepted by society as normal if breastfeeding is not possible and its a whole lot better than letting a baby starve.

    Labeling it as “artificial feeding” doesn’t help the feelings of failure by mothers who are unable to breastfeed either.

    Rather than trying to ban advertising wouldn’t it be better to fund antenatal education programs and make some the changes such as increased maternity leave and breast feeding friendly workplaces?

  5. Helen

    Many people who read here will recognise this old friend.

    Pun intended, but: Jerks.

  6. Chris

    It’s not an either/or proposition. I’ve blogged quite a bit about these issues in the past. I was thinking it was a SotBO[1] that Code enforcement is one of a whole raft of aspects, and not the one and only sole solution.

    I think if we are to a specifically ban something that would normally be allowed that it is necessary to justify why the same result can’t be achieved through different means. Why do you believe parents aren’t able to understand the issues?

  7. Chris

    Feel free to edit it to say “breastfeeding enthusiasts”, but FWIW I’ve found it to be in common usage among parents but I can see why it might trigger the spaminator.

  8. Noble Savage

    I think Chris’s mind is already made up if he/she is using the term “breastfeeding nazi” and trotting out the old “but you’ll make mothers who use formula feel guilty!” argument. How tiresome.

    Lauredhel, thank you for continuing to bring issues relating to motherhood to the forefront of feminism. There are way too few blogging fems out there doing so and it’s refreshing and inspiring to see someone who understands that becoming a mother doesn’t disqualify one as a feminist, but makes feminism that much more important.

  9. tigtog

    @ Chris:

    Chris, you appear to be demonstrating that you have read neither the guidelines for this blog or Lauredhel’s previous posts as requested.

    We can’t force you to do either, of course. We can however regard you as less likely to be arguing in good faith if you don’t.

  10. Chris

    I’m not going to edit your post for you; post in a feminist manner that isn’t offensive to women, or not at all.

    Given your eagerness to be offended it seems rather pointless to comment further. The term is not specific to women as they can be male or female, does not denigrate or criticize breastfeeding in any way and is commonly used by both women and men to describe people who do more than harm than good in increasing the rate of breastfeeding by their inability to understand that its simply doesn’t work for some people and its not always due to people “not trying hard enough” or being too dumb or selfish to make the “right choice”.

  11. Chris

    tigtog – I do apologize for any offence I’ve given. I honestly didn’t believe that the term would be considered offensive. One of the most helpful lactation nurses who helped us a lot used the term.

    I didn’t mean for this to turn into a breastfeeding vs formula debate – the medical evidence is very clear on that front that breastfeeding is better. To me this about whether advertising bans (even more generally than infant formula) work. As the real life evidence clearly shows companies find ways around bans and its very hard to make them legally enforceable in 3rd world countries. And even if you manage to make it illegal, companies will find other ways of spruiking their product – wait for them to pay mothers to attend mothers groups and web forums gushing about how good the infant formula they use is.

    It may require more up front work than just calling for a ban, but education can immunise people against advertising. And increasing the quality (or even existence!) of antenatal education in many countries is required anyway. The growing belief in China that formula is better than breastmilk is not just due to advertising, its primarily due to poor or non existent antenatal education.

  12. Noble Savage

    Chris, I find it hard to believe that you “honestly didn’t know” that assigning the word ‘nazi’ to someone would be offensive but I’ll take your word for it. I know that some people (even lactivists) use it in what they think is jest but it’s a really harmful term and needs to stop being punted around. Comparing women who care deeply about babies receiving breastmilk and helping women succeed at nursing their babies to a fascist regime is wrong and hurtful on many levels, which I’m sure I don’t need to explain.

  13. Chris

    Noble Savage – again I apologize, I guess I just use the term nazi a lot more loosely than others here without the associated offensive connotations. I’m lovingly known as the money nazi of the family (but it means we actually have savings and a lot less junk). Will find some other term for women (and men) who although are honestly trying to do their best to encourage breastfeeding but have the exact opposite effect on some.

  14. Purrdence

    Chris, my Grandfather was taken from his home in Holland, transported to Germany and forced to work in a work camp.

    As you can probably guess from that, I really find your use of the term ‘Nazi’ rather upsetting.

  15. chris

    Purrdence: I won’t use that term on this blog in the future.

  16. tigtog

    chris, that undertaking is appreciated.

    I also urge you to examine how the word has become a mostly unremarked part of daily conversation as a mildly(!!) disparaging term (soup nazi, fashion nazi), and think about how many relatives of Holocaust victims that hear it might be hating its descent into a casual usage that ends in belittling their relatives’ experience as if it were just a trivial irritation, yet feeling that they should bite their tongues while at work or socialising .

    I also urge you to examine the contrast between how the word is used in fashion nazi and feminazi, why there is so much more venom in the second usage, and what that also means for feminists generally, not just on this blog.

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