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	<title>Comments on: The writer and the cartoonist</title>
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		<title>By: blue milk</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20090228.3903/the-writer-and-the-cartoonist/comment-page-1/#comment-119733</link>
		<dc:creator>blue milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The classic demonising of feminists in cartoons, except where are the hairy armpits and legs, and the boiler suit? Have we been made over? Even the feminist hag has been raunchified?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The classic demonising of feminists in cartoons, except where are the hairy armpits and legs, and the boiler suit? Have we been made over? Even the feminist hag has been raunchified?</p>
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		<title>By: wiggles</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20090228.3903/the-writer-and-the-cartoonist/comment-page-1/#comment-119483</link>
		<dc:creator>wiggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eh, the link would help

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/yearning-to-liberate-the-inner-lady-20090227-8k7k.html?page=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eh, the link would help</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/yearning-to-liberate-the-inner-lady-20090227-8k7k.html?page=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/yearning-to-liberate-the-inner-lady-20090227-8k7k.html?page=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: wiggles</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20090228.3903/the-writer-and-the-cartoonist/comment-page-1/#comment-119482</link>
		<dc:creator>wiggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea about how columnists and cartoonists normally work together. I have noticed that Savage Love has cartoons from different artist for each publication in which the column is distributed, so I&#039;m thinking the cartoon is determined by the publication and not the columnist.
But anyway, I just found another Devine column accompanied by an hysterically monstrous cartoon and thought it was pertinent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea about how columnists and cartoonists normally work together. I have noticed that Savage Love has cartoons from different artist for each publication in which the column is distributed, so I&#8217;m thinking the cartoon is determined by the publication and not the columnist.<br />
But anyway, I just found another Devine column accompanied by an hysterically monstrous cartoon and thought it was pertinent.</p>
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		<title>By: oldfeminist</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldfeminist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 05:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you missed one of the &quot;fine points&quot; of the first illustration.  The woman&#039;s breasts are off to the sides, and her legs are spread.  She&#039;s shown in a position essentially like what you&#039;d see of a woman lying on her back about to be sexually penetrated.

Also, of course, there&#039;s nothing funnier than angry women whose bodies jiggle around.  Except maybe women marching, boobs and butt &quot;out of control.&quot;  Because that shows their &quot;real nature&quot; as emotionally out of control whenever they have feelings of any kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you missed one of the &#8220;fine points&#8221; of the first illustration.  The woman&#8217;s breasts are off to the sides, and her legs are spread.  She&#8217;s shown in a position essentially like what you&#8217;d see of a woman lying on her back about to be sexually penetrated.</p>
<p>Also, of course, there&#8217;s nothing funnier than angry women whose bodies jiggle around.  Except maybe women marching, boobs and butt &#8220;out of control.&#8221;  Because that shows their &#8220;real nature&#8221; as emotionally out of control whenever they have feelings of any kind.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, if you&#039;re a columnist, the cartoonist gets to read your piece and illustrate as they choose. I&#039;ve never &#039;previewed&#039; a cartoon or illustration for any of my columns, and what appeared in the newspaper was as much news to me as it was to any of the paper&#039;s regular readers. There was no contact at any point between writer and illustrator. 

If a piece gets bumped up into editorial, then sometimes the poor cartoonist doesn&#039;t even get to read it -- I remember once having to outline my ideas to a cartoonist down the telephone and he simply went away to do the drawing. In that case, however, the time frames are much more compressed.

The only time I&#039;ve been able to &#039;preview&#039; a graphic as a writer is when (a) it was the cover art for a novel and (b) it was to appear on the cover of the publication in question (in the latter case, a magazine). I&#039;m not sure I had any power of veto, however -- fortunately I liked both!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;skepticlawyer&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/02/thoughts-on-juries-and-justice/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thoughts on juries and justice&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, if you&#8217;re a columnist, the cartoonist gets to read your piece and illustrate as they choose. I&#8217;ve never &#8216;previewed&#8217; a cartoon or illustration for any of my columns, and what appeared in the newspaper was as much news to me as it was to any of the paper&#8217;s regular readers. There was no contact at any point between writer and illustrator. </p>
<p>If a piece gets bumped up into editorial, then sometimes the poor cartoonist doesn&#8217;t even get to read it &#8212; I remember once having to outline my ideas to a cartoonist down the telephone and he simply went away to do the drawing. In that case, however, the time frames are much more compressed.</p>
<p>The only time I&#8217;ve been able to &#8216;preview&#8217; a graphic as a writer is when (a) it was the cover art for a novel and (b) it was to appear on the cover of the publication in question (in the latter case, a magazine). I&#8217;m not sure I had any power of veto, however &#8212; fortunately I liked both!</p>
<p><abbr><em>skepticlawyer&#8217;s last blog post..<a href="http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/02/thoughts-on-juries-and-justice/" rel="nofollow">Thoughts on juries and justice</a></em></abbr></p>
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