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		<title>By: Otterday! And Open Thread. &#8212; Hoyden About Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otterday! And Open Thread. &#8212; Hoyden About Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last week it was otters telling a crocodile who&#8217;s boss; this week, it&#8217;s a coyote. The otters take a brief moment out from playing to smack the stalking coyote down; the coyote rapidly decides that it&#8217;s just not worth the effort. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Last week it was otters telling a crocodile who&#8217;s boss; this week, it&#8217;s a coyote. The otters take a brief moment out from playing to smack the stalking coyote down; the coyote rapidly decides that it&#8217;s just not worth the effort. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Beppie</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20090307.4010/otterday-and-open-thread-24/comment-page-1/#comment-124644</link>
		<dc:creator>Beppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course not, Mindy -- if rich people can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, then poor people should be able to too*!

&lt;small&gt;*And if they can&#039;t afford bootstraps, it&#039;s because (a) they&#039;re not working hard enough, OR (b) feminists and greenies stole them.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course not, Mindy &#8212; if rich people can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, then poor people should be able to too*!</p>
<p><small>*And if they can&#8217;t afford bootstraps, it&#8217;s because (a) they&#8217;re not working hard enough, OR (b) feminists and greenies stole them.</small></p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder Beppie if Devine would even recognise the degree of priviledge afforded by wealth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder Beppie if Devine would even recognise the degree of priviledge afforded by wealth.</p>
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		<title>By: Beppie</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20090307.4010/otterday-and-open-thread-24/comment-page-1/#comment-124640</link>
		<dc:creator>Beppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely, Lauredhel, and I apologise for not stating that explicitly in my previous response.  Of course, I doubt that someone like Devine would be willing to acknowledge the degree of privilege afforded by wealth -- that would probably be discrimination against rich people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, Lauredhel, and I apologise for not stating that explicitly in my previous response.  Of course, I doubt that someone like Devine would be willing to acknowledge the degree of privilege afforded by wealth &#8212; that would probably be discrimination against rich people!</p>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20090307.4010/otterday-and-open-thread-24/comment-page-1/#comment-124633</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;with the implication that we nasty feminists were bitter because she managed to breastfeed and hold down a high-powered job at the same time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Uh. Yeah, a &quot;high-powered job&quot; in which she was able to have the baby with her, breastfeeding, while she worked, or hand it off to a family member standing close by when she needed to. That&#039;s a sterling example of people assuming, with colossal wrongness, that it&#039;s somehow harder for a wealthy woman with lots of resources and support to hold down a &quot;high-powered job&quot; while breastfeeding than it is for a poor women to &lt;a href=&quot;http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=4004&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hold her &quot;low-powered job&quot; and breastfeed&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>with the implication that we nasty feminists were bitter because she managed to breastfeed and hold down a high-powered job at the same time.</p></blockquote>
<p>Uh. Yeah, a &#8220;high-powered job&#8221; in which she was able to have the baby with her, breastfeeding, while she worked, or hand it off to a family member standing close by when she needed to. That&#8217;s a sterling example of people assuming, with colossal wrongness, that it&#8217;s somehow harder for a wealthy woman with lots of resources and support to hold down a &#8220;high-powered job&#8221; while breastfeeding than it is for a poor women to <a href="http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=4004" rel="nofollow">hold her &#8220;low-powered job&#8221; and breastfeed</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Beppie</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20090307.4010/otterday-and-open-thread-24/comment-page-1/#comment-124629</link>
		<dc:creator>Beppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I did a Google search (oh noes! Not using my brain &lt;i&gt;again&lt;/i&gt;!) to see if I could discover Miranda&#039;s views on breastfeeding, and I couldn&#039;t find much -- except that she seemed to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/miranda-devine/miranda-devine-on-poison-palin-brings-out/2008/10/15/1223750125257.html?page=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;admire Sarah Palin for breastfeeding&lt;/a&gt; (among other things)  -- with the implication that we nasty feminists were bitter because she managed to breastfeed and hold down a high-powered job at the same time.

I rather suspect that her opinion would be along the lines of, &quot;it&#039;s only because of the feminists that women feel the need to leave the confines of their home while they&#039;re breastfeeding anyway/what&#039;s wrong with the parents&#039; room/exceptions will be made for conservative women who make their living undermining the evil feminist agenda.  Oh, and teh evil wimminz are also responsible for global warming (not that it exists).&quot;

Of course, that final paragraph is pure speculation, but it does have the benefit of being an opinion that I formed by raiding my own imperfect memory banks and extrapolating upon my familiarity with Devine&#039;s generally conservative, poorly executed arguments -- with no Google in sight.  Of course, it&#039;s not quite the &quot;creating [an] answer from thin air&quot; that Devine aspires to, but I&#039;m just a feminist who doesn&#039;t know her place, so she can&#039;t expect too much of me. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I did a Google search (oh noes! Not using my brain <i>again</i>!) to see if I could discover Miranda&#8217;s views on breastfeeding, and I couldn&#8217;t find much &#8212; except that she seemed to <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/miranda-devine/miranda-devine-on-poison-palin-brings-out/2008/10/15/1223750125257.html?page=2" rel="nofollow">admire Sarah Palin for breastfeeding</a> (among other things)  &#8212; with the implication that we nasty feminists were bitter because she managed to breastfeed and hold down a high-powered job at the same time.</p>
<p>I rather suspect that her opinion would be along the lines of, &#8220;it&#8217;s only because of the feminists that women feel the need to leave the confines of their home while they&#8217;re breastfeeding anyway/what&#8217;s wrong with the parents&#8217; room/exceptions will be made for conservative women who make their living undermining the evil feminist agenda.  Oh, and teh evil wimminz are also responsible for global warming (not that it exists).&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, that final paragraph is pure speculation, but it does have the benefit of being an opinion that I formed by raiding my own imperfect memory banks and extrapolating upon my familiarity with Devine&#8217;s generally conservative, poorly executed arguments &#8212; with no Google in sight.  Of course, it&#8217;s not quite the &#8220;creating [an] answer from thin air&#8221; that Devine aspires to, but I&#8217;m just a feminist who doesn&#8217;t know her place, so she can&#8217;t expect too much of me. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true Beppie. She&#039;d probably agree with the people calling the radio station this morning to complain that breastfeeding in public was &lt;i&gt;indecent exposure&lt;/i&gt;. I was so angry it took almost 100m before I could focus on the voice in the back of the car wailing &quot;Mummy, you forgot to take me to school!&quot; Thank goodness he likes school or otherwise he might has sat there quietly while I fumed my way to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true Beppie. She&#8217;d probably agree with the people calling the radio station this morning to complain that breastfeeding in public was <i>indecent exposure</i>. I was so angry it took almost 100m before I could focus on the voice in the back of the car wailing &#8220;Mummy, you forgot to take me to school!&#8221; Thank goodness he likes school or otherwise he might has sat there quietly while I fumed my way to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Beppie</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20090307.4010/otterday-and-open-thread-24/comment-page-1/#comment-124607</link>
		<dc:creator>Beppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mindy -- Miranda doesn&#039;t need to consult &lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt; children -- or even any information about children or the video games that they play -- in order to form her opinions!  That would be lazy!  Her opinions are based on &lt;b&gt;pure sparkly insight&lt;/b&gt;, not research (because research is a sign of not using your brain)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mindy &#8212; Miranda doesn&#8217;t need to consult <i>actual</i> children &#8212; or even any information about children or the video games that they play &#8212; in order to form her opinions!  That would be lazy!  Her opinions are based on <b>pure sparkly insight</b>, not research (because research is a sign of not using your brain)!</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20090307.4010/otterday-and-open-thread-24/comment-page-1/#comment-124598</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t she realise that all children know that video games are generally buggy and the only way to actually get through them is to cheat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t she realise that all children know that video games are generally buggy and the only way to actually get through them is to cheat?</p>
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		<title>By: Beppie</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20090307.4010/otterday-and-open-thread-24/comment-page-1/#comment-124590</link>
		<dc:creator>Beppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/there-was-this-thing-called-a-brain-20090311-8v51.html?page=-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Miranda Devine today:&lt;/a&gt;
OH NOEZ -- These days, the internet means that people are actually seeking out information, instead of forming opinions in a vacuum and browbeating their opponents into accepting them.  And worst of all, &lt;b&gt;children are cheating on video games&lt;/b&gt;.  Why won&#039;t anyone (besides Miranda) think of the children!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/there-was-this-thing-called-a-brain-20090311-8v51.html?page=-1" rel="nofollow">Miranda Devine today:</a><br />
OH NOEZ &#8212; These days, the internet means that people are actually seeking out information, instead of forming opinions in a vacuum and browbeating their opponents into accepting them.  And worst of all, <b>children are cheating on video games</b>.  Why won&#8217;t anyone (besides Miranda) think of the children!?</p>
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