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	<title>Comments on: Yet another Whedon peeve [1]: &#8220;What is that? Why is it beeping?&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m obviously just Not Getting It.

Shrug.

Stuff like the midwife crap and the constant rape just uses up all my goodwill and benefitofthedoubting, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m obviously just Not Getting It.</p>
<p>Shrug.</p>
<p>Stuff like the midwife crap and the constant rape just uses up all my goodwill and benefitofthedoubting, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: fuckpoliteness</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuckpoliteness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not see that singer as ditzy. I thought she was a young woman who had been taught what to strive for and had great success in it. She played the game exactly as she was supposed to - and the objectification of it was killing her. She couldn&#039;t feel a thing, and seemed disgusted with it all - the game, the towing the line, herself, her stalker, the whole shebang. Her speech? About being required to rebel, but just enough? About having to play the game/sing the song, EXACTLY as it&#039;s scripted for her by the patriarchy if she wants to Be Hot Singer? About being grown in captivity? Contrasted with Echo&#039;s scenario? Followed up by a girl who wasn&#039;t tough like Echo&#039;s character of the week, or the singer, who wasn&#039;t all pornified, or strutty or self confident? A &#039;regular&#039; star struck girl? With a gun to a head and a man demanding that she sing his song or he&#039;d kill her (sing it exactly as it&#039;s scripted or suffer the violence)? Is that not some pretty full on tackling of women&#039;s situation within patriarchy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not see that singer as ditzy. I thought she was a young woman who had been taught what to strive for and had great success in it. She played the game exactly as she was supposed to &#8211; and the objectification of it was killing her. She couldn&#8217;t feel a thing, and seemed disgusted with it all &#8211; the game, the towing the line, herself, her stalker, the whole shebang. Her speech? About being required to rebel, but just enough? About having to play the game/sing the song, EXACTLY as it&#8217;s scripted for her by the patriarchy if she wants to Be Hot Singer? About being grown in captivity? Contrasted with Echo&#8217;s scenario? Followed up by a girl who wasn&#8217;t tough like Echo&#8217;s character of the week, or the singer, who wasn&#8217;t all pornified, or strutty or self confident? A &#8216;regular&#8217; star struck girl? With a gun to a head and a man demanding that she sing his song or he&#8217;d kill her (sing it exactly as it&#8217;s scripted or suffer the violence)? Is that not some pretty full on tackling of women&#8217;s situation within patriarchy?</p>
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		<title>By: Beppie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be following those posts closely, FP. :)

I think something similar was going on with the passively-suicidal pop-star, in that her own passivity was set up quite explicitly to reflect (or perhaps, more appropriately, to &quot;echo&quot;) Echo&#039;s passivity in her mind-wiped state.  It&#039;s not like this was done subtly, so that viewers with sharp analytical skills would see it, while the rest of the population watches on in happy ignorance -- Whedon was clearly trying to make A Point -- and as I saw it, that point was that idealised constructions of femininity are just as fake for women who try to live up to that sort of pop-star/supermodel image as they are for the Actives.

I also find the way that the amount of exercise that the Actives do in their mind-wiped state (isn&#039;t there a special word for that?) -- Echo talking about swimming thirty laps, all that time she spends on the treadmills, the rabbit-food lunches, in conjuction with the way that Echo is implanted with a bunch of different TV/film tropes for female characters that are supposed to seem &quot;effortless&quot;, when they are really only something done for short periods of time, and can only be done after hours of exercise, strict dieting, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be following those posts closely, FP. :)</p>
<p>I think something similar was going on with the passively-suicidal pop-star, in that her own passivity was set up quite explicitly to reflect (or perhaps, more appropriately, to &#8220;echo&#8221;) Echo&#8217;s passivity in her mind-wiped state.  It&#8217;s not like this was done subtly, so that viewers with sharp analytical skills would see it, while the rest of the population watches on in happy ignorance &#8212; Whedon was clearly trying to make A Point &#8212; and as I saw it, that point was that idealised constructions of femininity are just as fake for women who try to live up to that sort of pop-star/supermodel image as they are for the Actives.</p>
<p>I also find the way that the amount of exercise that the Actives do in their mind-wiped state (isn&#8217;t there a special word for that?) &#8212; Echo talking about swimming thirty laps, all that time she spends on the treadmills, the rabbit-food lunches, in conjuction with the way that Echo is implanted with a bunch of different TV/film tropes for female characters that are supposed to seem &#8220;effortless&#8221;, when they are really only something done for short periods of time, and can only be done after hours of exercise, strict dieting, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: fuckpoliteness</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuckpoliteness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I feel kinda awkward about it since I know it&#039;s pissing people off. But the thing is I think it&#039;s doing many things at once. For instance. The girl in the fridge. She was kidnapped and we saw that what we thought was a hostage situation was not simply that. The girl in the fridge? Is it not perhaps a hat tip to the noted comic strip phenomena of women ending up in fridges? She didn&#039;t stay there either. And she wasn&#039;t put there for our sexy titillation, or as finally getting her comeupance, the whole scene evoked horror. The same guy that put her there with the same intentions as when he&#039;d put the girl who was now Echo&#039;s implanted personality in there was foiled - by an old victim long forgotten to him, a victim confronting him from beyond the grave, through the body of another woman. Is that not an attempt at some justice for victims who are understandably broken by their traumatic experiences - women who can go on to carve out careers  and full lives but still be haunted. We had a victim fronting and besting her attacker in a way that she couldn&#039;t in real life whether due to the ongoing trauma or the lack of a physical opportunity. *She* did this, and the body of another allowed her to. And on other fronts, what does that scenario do to ideas of physicality, to the mind/body split, to individuality? She stood in front of him and she was terrified but she did what she needed to do. And she/Echo got the girl out of the fridge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I feel kinda awkward about it since I know it&#8217;s pissing people off. But the thing is I think it&#8217;s doing many things at once. For instance. The girl in the fridge. She was kidnapped and we saw that what we thought was a hostage situation was not simply that. The girl in the fridge? Is it not perhaps a hat tip to the noted comic strip phenomena of women ending up in fridges? She didn&#8217;t stay there either. And she wasn&#8217;t put there for our sexy titillation, or as finally getting her comeupance, the whole scene evoked horror. The same guy that put her there with the same intentions as when he&#8217;d put the girl who was now Echo&#8217;s implanted personality in there was foiled &#8211; by an old victim long forgotten to him, a victim confronting him from beyond the grave, through the body of another woman. Is that not an attempt at some justice for victims who are understandably broken by their traumatic experiences &#8211; women who can go on to carve out careers  and full lives but still be haunted. We had a victim fronting and besting her attacker in a way that she couldn&#8217;t in real life whether due to the ongoing trauma or the lack of a physical opportunity. *She* did this, and the body of another allowed her to. And on other fronts, what does that scenario do to ideas of physicality, to the mind/body split, to individuality? She stood in front of him and she was terrified but she did what she needed to do. And she/Echo got the girl out of the fridge.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FP, that sounds really cool.  I can&#039;t wait to read them.

To follow that completely, I may work harder to find a workaround to watch the show. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FP, that sounds really cool.  I can&#8217;t wait to read them.</p>
<p>To follow that completely, I may work harder to find a workaround to watch the show. :)</p>
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		<title>By: fuckpoliteness</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuckpoliteness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you Beppie on the &#039;interesting interogation of objectification and human commodification&#039;. Wildly Parenthetical and I have plans to tag team post on the show and the ideas it&#039;s throwing up and calling into question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you Beppie on the &#8216;interesting interogation of objectification and human commodification&#8217;. Wildly Parenthetical and I have plans to tag team post on the show and the ideas it&#8217;s throwing up and calling into question.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m watching, Anna. So far we&#039;ve had a  girl in a refrigerator (um, literally), constant rape as a plot-point-aside, a ditsy passively-suicidal self-obsessed female pop star, and now disability drag? Awesome. Can we has blackface next? Or maybe a silly pseudoJamaican accent?

Oh, and the actor who plays Mellie - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2829954/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Miracle Laurie&lt;/a&gt;? Was set up in the casting notes as &quot;heavy&quot;. (Read it recently in two different places, can&#039;t find the cite now.) I guess that&#039;s Whedonheavy, as in Amber Benson &quot;heavy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m watching, Anna. So far we&#8217;ve had a  girl in a refrigerator (um, literally), constant rape as a plot-point-aside, a ditsy passively-suicidal self-obsessed female pop star, and now disability drag? Awesome. Can we has blackface next? Or maybe a silly pseudoJamaican accent?</p>
<p>Oh, and the actor who plays Mellie &#8211; <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2829954/" rel="nofollow">Miracle Laurie</a>? Was set up in the casting notes as &#8220;heavy&#8221;. (Read it recently in two different places, can&#8217;t find the cite now.) I guess that&#8217;s Whedonheavy, as in Amber Benson &#8220;heavy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Beppie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still watching -- for all of its faults, I&#039;m finding it to be a very interesting interrogation of objectification and human commodification (esp. with regard to women).

To me, the trailer seems to imply that they&#039;re going to send her into a religious cult who will accept her because her blindness will be &quot;healed&quot; -- if all goes according to plan.  I didn&#039;t get the impression that there will be numerous people with disabilities featured (although I guess there could be other people turning up to be healed), and I very much doubt that it&#039;s actually going to attempt to realistically portray living with a disability in any way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still watching &#8212; for all of its faults, I&#8217;m finding it to be a very interesting interrogation of objectification and human commodification (esp. with regard to women).</p>
<p>To me, the trailer seems to imply that they&#8217;re going to send her into a religious cult who will accept her because her blindness will be &#8220;healed&#8221; &#8212; if all goes according to plan.  I didn&#8217;t get the impression that there will be numerous people with disabilities featured (although I guess there could be other people turning up to be healed), and I very much doubt that it&#8217;s actually going to attempt to realistically portray living with a disability in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anyone on this thread still watching Dollhouse?  I just caught a trailer for (what I assume is) next week&#039;s episode, and it looks like it&#039;ll be my *favourite!* t.v. trope, Disability Drag!  Woo hoo!  It looks like they&#039;ll use Science! to make Echo blind.  Link here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5VBxxFhQs

I don&#039;t have t.v. (and can&#039;t seem to use any workarounds for Hulu) so I&#039;m mostly wondering if someone who is still watching could mention if people other than Echo are shown with disabilities, which is the implication in the trailer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone on this thread still watching Dollhouse?  I just caught a trailer for (what I assume is) next week&#8217;s episode, and it looks like it&#8217;ll be my *favourite!* t.v. trope, Disability Drag!  Woo hoo!  It looks like they&#8217;ll use Science! to make Echo blind.  Link here: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5VBxxFhQs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5VBxxFhQs</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have t.v. (and can&#8217;t seem to use any workarounds for Hulu) so I&#8217;m mostly wondering if someone who is still watching could mention if people other than Echo are shown with disabilities, which is the implication in the trailer.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Was it only me? I totally thought Echo was supposed to be giving some woman head.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It wasn&#039;t only you - the opening was designed to make us think the birthing woman was in sexual ecstasy. (It sorta recalled the Tara/Willow scene in Once More With Feeling, I think.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Was it only me? I totally thought Echo was supposed to be giving some woman head.</p></blockquote>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t only you &#8211; the opening was designed to make us think the birthing woman was in sexual ecstasy. (It sorta recalled the Tara/Willow scene in Once More With Feeling, I think.)</p>
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