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Beppie is a PhD student who reads feminist blogs to help her procrastinate think.

25 responses to “Does Edward Cullen Taste of Cherry Chapstick?”

  1. Chally

    Yeah, I think you’re onto something there. While there’s a great big blob of horribleness, there’s also something a little bit different I can’t quite put my finger on. Maybe it’s more a function of changing attitudes on the part of consumers than changing stories.

  2. Bene

    No, I think you have a point, Beppie. The queering of the vampire concept is a pretty common idea in literary theory, and it’s like that for a reason, that the vampire Other is typed in queer ways even unintentionally.

    (Back to reading my bloglist…I’ve been in a sinkhole of fail for about two weeks.)

  3. Beppie

    Yeah, Bene — but the interesting thing is that unlike something like Dracula, which is saturated with homoerotic subtext, Twilight isn’t — even Twilight slash is quite rare, apparently, especially in comparison to Harry Potter (presumably the two fandoms share a lot of the same readers). So it’s interesting to think of the way that the notion of queerness might manifest itself in other more nebulous ways for the readers of Meyer’s texts — almost like there’s a recognition that vampires come with queer subtext, but that there’s nowhere to place it, because even though her vampires live a hidden life within mainstream society (ie, in the closet), their difference, in many ways, stems from the way that they fall into these idealised versions of Western heterosexual subjects — beautiful, powerful bodies full of restrained desire, and very very white — all those things that confer privilege.

  4. Chally

    Wow, that’s so interesting.

  5. orlando

    Ah. I had a student turn up in an “I (heart) Edward” t-shirt the other day, and I was curious about what on earth the reference was that I was missing. We were working on King Lear, so I wondered if she meant Edmund.

  6. genstar

    Objection, Beppie! Harry Potter is a cracking good read, unlike Twilight which even I, as a 3+ books-a-week kind of girl, haven’t been able to struggle past the first book.
    /petty defense of my own preferences

    Back to discussion I find very interesting and am actually reading avidly. I personally got the impression, though, that the breaking away from the norm in Twilight was more in the vein of (stereotypical) teen-angst-no-one-understands-me-I-deserve-something-more, as opposed to a conscious rejection.

    Whereas, perhaps, the princess being carried away by a rich prince, was a fantasy from when the ultimate dream for a woman was to be looked after in luxury – this one seems to be a fantasy of being ‘cool’. And what’s cooler than hooking the hottest guy at school who’s never looked at any of the other girls?

    Although I guess that still reflects a change in society.

  7. lauredhel

    Beppie: Is there not much Twilight slash? That surprises me! I would have thought that there’d at least be a body of vamp/werewolf slash, even in the absence of hints in the text, purely because of the tension there (which seems to be a key ingredients in some flavours of M/M slash).

    I share genstar’s hestation about the HP/Twilight fan-congruence hypothesis, though the way you’ve phrased it is likely true. I suspect most Twilight fans have read and liked Harry Potter, but I know plenty of HP fans who can’t stand Twilight. Are those latter fans more likely to be the ones involved in ficcing, maybe? Are the kinds of people who are going to be Twilight fans the kinds of people who are less likely to play with texts?

    And, to respond to the post and not just the thread-drift, I definitely see resistance in that T-shirt, even if it’s not all that widespread within the mainstream Twifan community.

  8. Arwyn

    I’m going to disagree, at least with the reading of the Princess/Vampire t-shirt: As you just pointed out, vampires are the personification of the conflation of sex and violence. So to me, this T reads as classic madonna/whore dichotomy, where the only two options for (young) women are perfect, respectable lady (Princess), and rule-breaking slut (Vampire). There’s nothing new or particularly subversive about “grrl power” and the “reclamation” of the slut/bad girl persona.

    Going back to the previous, I fail to see it as much of a queering; rather, especially in the context of the Twilight series (whether licensed merch or no!), it reads as an endorsement of the “girls like bad boys” meme (again, vampires = conflation of sex and violence). The slight hint of queering in the bi-curious, two-women-making-out-for-the-pleasure-of-a-man kind of way only serves to enforce the meme of women’s sexuality existing for men’s pleasure, in my reading. But that might be my cynicism as an invisible bisexual showing through again.

    So maybe I’m just pessimistic, but I think your reading is entirely too hopeful. Alas.

  9. WildlyParenthetical

    Interesting, and hopeful-making stuff, Beppie! I think there is a thread of resistance here. And to be honest, I think that the desire for resistance kinda *is* its achievement, insofar as it’s clear from these T-shirts that there’s a resistant reading of Twilight going on, and one that people are invested in in some way. Which, given the text, is a fucking relief!

    And the queer vampire stuff is intriguing (with, as both you and Bene have pointed out, a long and fascinating history). It’s interesting that it’s coming up in relation to Twilight, whose reconfiguration of the vampires as *invulnerable* to anyone/thing except other vampires is quite a radical shift from earlier (imho more interesting and more queer) conceptions. Nonetheless, they maintain the ambiguous situation in relation to death (not alive, not dead, kinda both) which maintains the queerness of them (and maintains their challenge to the heteronormative structuring of ontology, but now we’re getting in deep…). Honestly, I kinda like this overt refiguring of the desire for the vampire as a queer desire, as a queer desire for (un)death (which also does interesting things to the ‘violence’ stuff, I think). Even as that annoying song is annoying as hell (for a heavenly, queer-as-anything remix, check out the following http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL5low-TqV8. Especially good, Arwyn, for teasing the whole song away from its homophobic attempts (though I think you’re right, Beppie, it’s not altogether successful) to disavow “real” desire, which gives me the irrits too). Although the proximity of the two (Edward and This Perry Girl) reminds of me the bizarreness of trying to eroticise someone who is, effectively, made of rock. I get gorgeous planes and, you know, hardness. But kissing granite? Not really that hot, I wouldn’t have thought?

    Whilst I get what you’re saying, Arwyn, about how the ‘bad girl’ can be just as problematic, I’m not convinced that that is so easily mappable to the figure of the vampire as you suggest. There are elements of it, sure, but there’s a few extra fun bits thrown in for good measure: a girl vampire can penetrate the allegedly impenetrable male body, and more than that (shock, horror, bloody up the heteronormativity) make him *want* it. She is aloof, invulnerable, and certainly not going to be ‘taken’ by anyone; indeed, she’s more likely to do the taking. And she, for any Lacanians out there*, has no reflection, never enters the Symbolic, never becomes naught but the complement of men. In fact, even without the Lacanian thing, she’s always on the edges of culture, and certainly fails to participate in heteronormative *life* (except to fuck up marriages, for the most part)… Give me a vampire girl over a princess any day. NB I may be influenced by hilarious-but-honestly-awesome lesbian vampire film watching. :-)

    *With thanks, as ever on this stuff, to the awesomeness of Sue-Ellen Case.

  10. Bene

    In a hurry, but just a note: I’d argue there is some queering of the Twilight vampires, unintentionally. The sparkling, for example, and the preternatural beauty, etc.

  11. corinna

    sigh…in the end she marries Edward? Lord I have the first book on reserve at my library. I guess there’s no point now. Could you maybe add Spoiler Alert to your post. sob!

  12. tigtog

    The romantic heroine marries the misunderstood hero at some point of a series of romantic novels? That’s a spoiler? Really?

    The point of romantic novels is the twists and turns of the misunderstandings and the perils along the way to that fated union. Some romantic novels continue with the drama after the weddings.

    P.S. In Pride and Prejudice? Elizabeth marries Darcy.

  13. WildlyParenthetical

    As far as the queer of Twilight goes… well, I think I mentioned the other day that I was pretty disappointed by Bella’s ‘crossover’ into being a vampire, because she managed to be so very ‘strong’ as to not ever need to engage in physical violence, which is kinda the vampire thing. And that, my friends, does funny things to situating a battle as the climax… Have I mentioned these books are poorly written?

    As for the few sites of penetration ;-) It could be a disaffection for het penetration more generally, or an anxiety about any penetration that is not, y’know, reproductive. OMG sodomy! (In the old sense of any non-reproductive sex). I mean, they have sex this one time (I personally thought the whole ‘exfoliation whilst sexing’ was the hilarious aspect to this whole thing) and she falls pregnant? How very… Mormon? See, in lots of ways I think Meyer struggles to keep the heavy eroticism under heteronormative control, but at the same time, the tries to plug those leaks in really kinda odd ways. And mostly by making Edward Joseph Smith and Virtue Personified. As well as creepy and kinda boring. To be honest, I think the appeal of these books for most people lies in the characterisation of desire as overwhelming, so overwhelming you don’t care how proximate death is: it’s the point at which control, the superego, the sense of doing what you’re meant to do, ceases. And, y’know, the loss of self is queer (in the queer-theory-queery-contemporary-forms-of-identity sense). If it’s interesting at all, I think it’s partly interesting because women and girls are given a fairly hefty sense of responsibility, so I can see the appeal of giving in to such strong desires. There’s something vaguely interesting going on there; I just think it happens in lots of other, far better written and more interesting texts…

  14. KM

    I was also going to bring up the ‘vampiric bite as metaphor for sexual penetration’ thingy, which SCREAMED at me right through ‘Twilight.’ It has so many interesting facets to it in the context of Twilight and how it parallels attitudes of emergent sexual females in conservative America (ie ‘getting bitten’ or having sex can both be seen as something ‘forbidden’ and scary, as well as full of adult secrets and excitement). Unfortunately though, I never had any sense that Meyer had the talent or imagination necessary to set out writing the book with that in mind!

    Re the t-shirts… As far as young girls wanting to wear vampire/Twilight-inspired fashion, I’m ambivalent. The fashion choices of teenaged girls can be equally about playing with and ‘trying on’ various personas as they move towards adulthood, as they can be about simply fitting in. And the Twilight franchise has HUGE popularity amongst teenaged girls.

  15. corinna

    Wow tigtog! Sorry. I have read Pride and Prejudice 10 times at least and yes I did not know that in the Twilight Series those two got married. I don’t read a lot of romances. I read this site every day, link to you, and admire you. Why do you have to be all sarcastic with me?

    And thanks for the spoiler warning.

  16. tigtog

    @ corinna:

    Corinna, what made me sarcastic was this:

    I guess there’s no point now.

    You are probably a most likeable person generally, but that particular phrasing choice was whiny.

    Now you say that you’ve read P&P 10x at least, which means that you actually do know that there’s more to enjoying a book than not knowing how one particular aspect of the narrative plays out, so why make such a passive-aggressive claim in the first place?

    I’m still unconvinced that this post needed a Spoiler Alert for that one line, despite Beppie acquiescing to your request. If you’re that keen on avoiding spoilers, why read a post discussing Twilight at all? Wikipedia doesn’t put up spoiler notices for any of their entries discussing novels/movies/TV series – they assume that people know that there will be spoilers in the discussion and decide either to read or not read accordingly.

  17. Kevin T. Keith

    I’m tempted to see it as a bit less conscious than all this. I think people now find it safe enough to toy with those slogans or ideas that they do so without making any kind of commitment to them. As certain ideological stances make their way into the mainstream, it becomes easier to adopt that stance without explicitly endorsing the ideology.

    That is, in a vague kind of way, I suspect that the lesbian/vampire shtick is of a piece with all those college women who simply assume they should be able to vote, own property, have a career, own their sexuality, have their own opinions and make their own decisions, but who say they are not feminist. Those assumptions have become so much a part of the cultural milieu that they’re just not seen as radical, or even forming an ideological stance, anymore – even while they’re still under attack. Similarly, you can be into vampires in a kind of cutesy non-heteronormative way, without, you know, really endorsing non-heteronormative life choices or even recognizing that you’re transgressing any kind of cultural or literary norm in doing so.

    And, just like voting, education, and careers for women, that’s also a product of the successes of feminism that then dilute the urgency of feminism itself. Today, you can kiss a girl (if you’re a girl). You can dig vampires without playing the submissive virgin. And you don’t have to think of (or even recognize) yourself as taking any kind of stand in doing so. That would be so, you know, feminist and all. And who wants that?

  18. WildlyParenthetical

    I agree, Beppie. I’m a bit over the idea that in order to be politically relevant or whatever, it needs to be a conscious resistance. I personally think it’s much more telling (and actually politically useful, since I think a politics of persistence self-abnegation is incredibly problematic) if desires have been so subconsciously reshaped that young women are drawn to these kinds of minor resistances.

  19. WildlyParenthetical

    *persistent*. I need coffee.

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