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	<title>Comments on: Fat acceptance and Oppression Olympics fail on The Gruen Transfer</title>
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		<title>By: manicdee.livejournal.com/</title>
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		<dc:creator>manicdee.livejournal.com/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The winning ad might be funny &quot;language reclamation&quot; style if it was done by fat people and being enjoyed by fat people. I giggled a bit, but I was thinking all the while, &quot;shit, I&#039;m glad my fat friends aren&#039;t watching this with me.&quot; I was embarrassed for them (which is another way of saying, &quot;I was ashamed of myself&quot; I guess).

The Foundry ad exposes one of the paradigms of the advertising industry though: sex sells. More importantly, &quot;having sex with a beautiful woman by proxy&quot; sells. The assumption that you use (attractive, sexually aroused) women to push your product is so ingrained in the psyche of advertisers that they would not be able to point out sexism if it bit them in the face. Who can conceive of a Coca Cola ad which only shows a bunch of fat blokes on the beach? No, it has to include attractive girls giving meaningful glances to the boys drinking Coca Cola.

I think what Lauredhel has uncovered here is that the panel on TGT is so closely associated with advertising that they either aren&#039;t aware of the blatant sexism in the industry (in the same way that a smoker isn&#039;t aware of the fact that their walls were painted white, not tan), or realise that it&#039;s such a taboo subject that they bite their tongue (like the friends who visit and suppress their coughs, and try not to touch anything for fear of wiping off stains).

Was the female panellist excluded, or did she exclude herself from that webcast? My expectation is the latter - that is, I expect that she didn&#039;t even want to be associated with the offensive material, even if only to condemn it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The winning ad might be funny &#8220;language reclamation&#8221; style if it was done by fat people and being enjoyed by fat people. I giggled a bit, but I was thinking all the while, &#8220;shit, I&#8217;m glad my fat friends aren&#8217;t watching this with me.&#8221; I was embarrassed for them (which is another way of saying, &#8220;I was ashamed of myself&#8221; I guess).</p>
<p>The Foundry ad exposes one of the paradigms of the advertising industry though: sex sells. More importantly, &#8220;having sex with a beautiful woman by proxy&#8221; sells. The assumption that you use (attractive, sexually aroused) women to push your product is so ingrained in the psyche of advertisers that they would not be able to point out sexism if it bit them in the face. Who can conceive of a Coca Cola ad which only shows a bunch of fat blokes on the beach? No, it has to include attractive girls giving meaningful glances to the boys drinking Coca Cola.</p>
<p>I think what Lauredhel has uncovered here is that the panel on TGT is so closely associated with advertising that they either aren&#8217;t aware of the blatant sexism in the industry (in the same way that a smoker isn&#8217;t aware of the fact that their walls were painted white, not tan), or realise that it&#8217;s such a taboo subject that they bite their tongue (like the friends who visit and suppress their coughs, and try not to touch anything for fear of wiping off stains).</p>
<p>Was the female panellist excluded, or did she exclude herself from that webcast? My expectation is the latter &#8211; that is, I expect that she didn&#8217;t even want to be associated with the offensive material, even if only to condemn it.</p>
<p>What would you do in that environment?</p>
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		<title>By: hedgepig</title>
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		<dc:creator>hedgepig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 23:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The miserable irony of this whole thing is that the liberal dude who made the ad actually fathomed that discrimination on the basis of body size is morally equivalent to discrimination based on race and colour, but utterly failed to notice the sexism in the joke that caused his &quot;epiphany&quot;.  This, and the white liberal dude discussion, encapsulates to perfection the inability of modern western patriarchal culture to even notice sexism, let alone take it seriously. 
I&#039;m now off to imagine a multitude of hideous torments and punishments being visited upon those bloody idiots on The Gruen Transfer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The miserable irony of this whole thing is that the liberal dude who made the ad actually fathomed that discrimination on the basis of body size is morally equivalent to discrimination based on race and colour, but utterly failed to notice the sexism in the joke that caused his &#8220;epiphany&#8221;.  This, and the white liberal dude discussion, encapsulates to perfection the inability of modern western patriarchal culture to even notice sexism, let alone take it seriously.<br />
I&#8217;m now off to imagine a multitude of hideous torments and punishments being visited upon those bloody idiots on The Gruen Transfer.</p>
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		<title>By: myscatteredmarbles.blogspot.com/</title>
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		<dc:creator>myscatteredmarbles.blogspot.com/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 08:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion it was way better than the winning ad. It actually got the point across that attitudes like that are hurtful and hateful and I think it would make people think whoa wait.. is it really that bad. 

The winning ad was disgusting, it was in essence just one long fat joke with fat pride stamped on it. I cried through the whole thing, it left me feeling humiliated and ashamed and I really don&#039;t think it promoted fat acceptance at all in fact it did quite the opposite. 

the things that are said to me, the treatment I receive because I am fat IS OFFENSIVE, it is hateful and it hurts like crazy at least the pulled ad portrayed that and seemed like it was on my side.

It really made me angry when at the end of that show the host asked someone to make him a list of the people he COULD make fun of now, as though his life was really hampered because he couldn&#039;t tear people down. GAH... the ignorance drives me nuts sometimes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion it was way better than the winning ad. It actually got the point across that attitudes like that are hurtful and hateful and I think it would make people think whoa wait.. is it really that bad. </p>
<p>The winning ad was disgusting, it was in essence just one long fat joke with fat pride stamped on it. I cried through the whole thing, it left me feeling humiliated and ashamed and I really don&#8217;t think it promoted fat acceptance at all in fact it did quite the opposite. </p>
<p>the things that are said to me, the treatment I receive because I am fat IS OFFENSIVE, it is hateful and it hurts like crazy at least the pulled ad portrayed that and seemed like it was on my side.</p>
<p>It really made me angry when at the end of that show the host asked someone to make him a list of the people he COULD make fun of now, as though his life was really hampered because he couldn&#8217;t tear people down. GAH&#8230; the ignorance drives me nuts sometimes!</p>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 07:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I was poking around the T-shirt site of the ad maker, Goatboy. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.goatboy.com.au/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt; is all huhuh boobies, giggling at a goat humping a Muslim man in prayer, shit like that - the stuff you see from violently misogynist douches who never matured past 13 and think that they&#039;re terribly &quot;edgy&quot;. 

And then there&#039;s this, &lt;a href=&quot;http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:IPx10PppTt0J:www.goatboy.com.au/products.php%3Fproduct%3DFat-Chicks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the T-shirt that he&#039;s sworn never to make again but that is still present in the Google cache&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;Kings Cross Police Now Targeting Fat Chicks&quot;.   (Story at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smh.com.au/national/how-fat-chick-furore-made-adman-think-20090518-b81q.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SMH&lt;/a&gt;.) 

The shirt is illustrated worn by a slim white woman eating a hamburger, but the other pictures accompanying the shirt include an extremely thin woman captioned &quot;Do I look Fat in this Shirt?&quot;, and an extremely fat woman in a bikini, shot from behind, captioned &quot;Does it come in my size?&quot;. The images are clearly placed there mean-spiritedly to mock women. Until this cookie-seeking prat realises that his problem is not with fat, it is with women, he remains a complete and utter arsehole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I was poking around the T-shirt site of the ad maker, Goatboy. The <a href="http://blog.goatboy.com.au/" rel="nofollow">blog</a> is all huhuh boobies, giggling at a goat humping a Muslim man in prayer, shit like that &#8211; the stuff you see from violently misogynist douches who never matured past 13 and think that they&#8217;re terribly &#8220;edgy&#8221;. </p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s this, <a href="http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:IPx10PppTt0J:www.goatboy.com.au/products.php%3Fproduct%3DFat-Chicks" rel="nofollow">the T-shirt that he&#8217;s sworn never to make again but that is still present in the Google cache</a>, &#8220;Kings Cross Police Now Targeting Fat Chicks&#8221;.   (Story at the <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/how-fat-chick-furore-made-adman-think-20090518-b81q.html" rel="nofollow">SMH</a>.) </p>
<p>The shirt is illustrated worn by a slim white woman eating a hamburger, but the other pictures accompanying the shirt include an extremely thin woman captioned &#8220;Do I look Fat in this Shirt?&#8221;, and an extremely fat woman in a bikini, shot from behind, captioned &#8220;Does it come in my size?&#8221;. The images are clearly placed there mean-spiritedly to mock women. Until this cookie-seeking prat realises that his problem is not with fat, it is with women, he remains a complete and utter arsehole.</p>
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		<title>By: myst</title>
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		<dc:creator>myst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 07:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, ok, so I quite liked it. It was far from perfect, but it was about a million times better than the gag they did air. It was a first attempt from this guy, and I think that was good. I wouldn&#039;t want it shown on TV as part of a real campaign, because it DOES have serious flaws, as many other people have pointed out. But I think it should have been aired on the ABC.

Also, just thought I could help here...

&quot;&quot;&quot;The opening to this video does confuse me a little, because it seems that what he’s saying is that they recorded the Foundry segment a few weeks ago, then couldn’t air it for legal reasons. However, during the withheld segment itself, they make it clear twice that the panel was to be a webside, with warnings attached.&quot;&quot;&quot;

TV shows are recorded a few weeks before they air. This section was recorded a few weeks ago, then edited, and after that the ABC decided it probably shouldn&#039;t be put to air. But they decided they did want to make it available for viewing, so they chose to put it online. Rather than air their original discussion, they made a new straight-to-web discussion, and were discussing it in light of the fact that it wasn&#039;t aired. Then last of all new intro and out-tro shots were filmed, explaining that what we are about to / just did see isn&#039;t what was recorded during the first filming session, and this was edited in at a later date. So yeah, the segment was shot weeks ago, but always intended to be aired this week. And I highly doubt it was for &quot;legal reasons&quot;, probably an internal ABC decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, ok, so I quite liked it. It was far from perfect, but it was about a million times better than the gag they did air. It was a first attempt from this guy, and I think that was good. I wouldn&#8217;t want it shown on TV as part of a real campaign, because it DOES have serious flaws, as many other people have pointed out. But I think it should have been aired on the ABC.</p>
<p>Also, just thought I could help here&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"The opening to this video does confuse me a little, because it seems that what he’s saying is that they recorded the Foundry segment a few weeks ago, then couldn’t air it for legal reasons. However, during the withheld segment itself, they make it clear twice that the panel was to be a webside, with warnings attached.&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>TV shows are recorded a few weeks before they air. This section was recorded a few weeks ago, then edited, and after that the ABC decided it probably shouldn&#8217;t be put to air. But they decided they did want to make it available for viewing, so they chose to put it online. Rather than air their original discussion, they made a new straight-to-web discussion, and were discussing it in light of the fact that it wasn&#8217;t aired. Then last of all new intro and out-tro shots were filmed, explaining that what we are about to / just did see isn&#8217;t what was recorded during the first filming session, and this was edited in at a later date. So yeah, the segment was shot weeks ago, but always intended to be aired this week. And I highly doubt it was for &#8220;legal reasons&#8221;, probably an internal ABC decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a comment the other day that fat people don&#039;t experience &#039;real&#039; discriminiation. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a comment the other day that fat people don&#8217;t experience &#8216;real&#8217; discriminiation. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: selvage.dreamwidth.org/</title>
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		<dc:creator>selvage.dreamwidth.org/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argh, throwing &quot;things&quot; at the television.  Fury makes my typing fail. :[</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argh, throwing &#8220;things&#8221; at the television.  Fury makes my typing fail. :[</p>
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		<title>By: selvage.dreamwidth.org/</title>
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		<dc:creator>selvage.dreamwidth.org/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched this and nearly started throwing this at the television.  I usually turn the teev off after Spicks and Specks, but for some reason left it on.  I wish I hadn&#039;t.

This made me so fucking angry, and once again reminded me of how I really, really, REALLY want to wipe that smary smirk off Wil Anderson&#039;s face.  *seethes*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched this and nearly started throwing this at the television.  I usually turn the teev off after Spicks and Specks, but for some reason left it on.  I wish I hadn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>This made me so fucking angry, and once again reminded me of how I really, really, REALLY want to wipe that smary smirk off Wil Anderson&#8217;s face.  *seethes*</p>
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		<title>By: sajee.livejournal.com/</title>
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		<dc:creator>sajee.livejournal.com/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 07:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;The fact that the Gruen Transfer thinks ‘fat acceptance’ is a joke, is disgusting, is about the most unacceptable thing to sell (and continue to think of it only in terms of ‘fat chicks’ who don’t do right by their boners) says volumes about the show and it’s host and panel.&quot;&gt;

A thousand times this.

I have some close FA friends who had the complete opposite reaction and felt that it was a well thought-out ad that drew attention to something that a lot of people haven&#039;t had exposure to i.e. FA.

I just wanted to hurt people.</description>
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<p>A thousand times this.</p>
<p>I have some close FA friends who had the complete opposite reaction and felt that it was a well thought-out ad that drew attention to something that a lot of people haven&#8217;t had exposure to i.e. FA.</p>
<p>I just wanted to hurt people.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: sqbr</title>
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		<dc:creator>sqbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 04:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orlando: Yes, that was the other aspect of it. Fat Acceptance is laughably absurd now? You&#039;re right about how problematic some of the others have been as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orlando: Yes, that was the other aspect of it. Fat Acceptance is laughably absurd now? You&#8217;re right about how problematic some of the others have been as well.</p>
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