Article written by Lauredhel

Lauredhel is an Australian woman and mother with a disability. She blogs about social justice, reproductive justice, freedom from violence, the use and misuse of language, medical science, being disabled, her garden, and whatever else pops into her head.

Lauredhel also blogs at FWD/Forward (feminists with disabilities), scribbles at her personal dreamwidth journal Selective and Arbitrary, and co-moderates Hollaback Australia. She joined Hoyden About Town in 2007.

18 responses to “A national electronic health & social record”

  1. Mary

    Sounds rather like Kerr has a bad case of that old “the authorities would never be interested in you unless you’ve done something wrong” approach to the world. It’s a very effective bubble: must be nice to have such faith that the world will align with your best interests (extremely privileged to think so, of course).

  2. tigtog

    I was thinking about privilege with respect to police interactions only the other week when the police knocked at my door, looking for someone else who’d accidentally got hir address wrong when filling in a form just after moving nearby (we’ve been getting lots of hir mail, so we know this).

    I was able to answer the door confident that I could explain this and be believed.

    But what if I’d been someone who looked and sounded differently than I do? Someone who pressed all the police officer’s assumption buttons about believable citizens and suspicious citizens? What could have happened then due to the fact that another person who is of interest to the police made a mistake on a form?

    How would Kerr’s proposal account for such errors? If my children got taken away within an hour of me being stopped by police who accessed an erroneous record and proceeded on that basis, what hoops would I have to jump through to prove this and get my children back?

  3. Rebekka

    I think there’s also an underlying, largely unexamined assumption behind the idea of a system like this, which is that the general population (aka “patients”) can’t be trusted to remember their own medical/social information and disclose it to the appropriate people as needed. We’re all too stupid/not doctors, so how would we know whether a broken leg six years ago is relevant to today’s sore throat? Clearly, we don’t know, so doctors need to be able to read all of our information and decide for us.

    I once requested my medical records from a doctor with whom I had had an issue, and discovered – to my bemusement – that he had written down symptoms that I had never said I had – because I didn’t have them! He had just assumed, oh, she has x, she must have these symptoms and had noted them. Wtf?

    It all fits into a larger picture where we don’t have the *authority* to be responsible for our own health.

  4. lilacsigil

    Yes, seriously, why do police, in particular, need to know any of this? Even sharing between medical professionals should be closely monitored for privacy breaches. Limited and condition-specific programs like influenza notification to track the spread of a disease can be (and are) handled with current legislation.

    I wonder how the idea of patient privacy applies – if medical professionals know that every detail they enter into the system can be accessed (without due process) by any number of people not involved in that patient’s care, should they be entering those details at all?

  5. Rebekka

    Lauredhel, and *that* wouldn’t be at all problematic in the case of all and sundry being able to access your medical records!

    In my case the diagnosis was correct, just I wasn’t experiencing the symptoms he’d written down, and the treatment was… far from correct.

  6. su

    Oh wow. Accuracy of current record keeping is obviously a huge issue, let alone compounding that with sharing them willy nilly. A friend told me how upon enrolling her son in high school, she was offered behavioural intervention programmes even though her son had never had any need for such. It turns out that one of the primary school teachers had written on the file that he has a disability. The basis for her “diagnosis” seems to have been that his brother has a disability and he himself used to call out the answers in class rather than put his hand up. Noone seemed to be bothered that this woman wrote down a diagnosis she had absolutely no authority to make.

    I spent a portion of last year having “full and frank discussions” with a school counsellor who was exceptionally eager that my son receive a diagnosis for his delusions and hallucinations (he was playing with imaginary friends – something very common for kids with ASD who have been socially ostracized). I kept thinking how easy it would have been for someone less sure of themselves to have accepted her authority and then the poor kid would be lumbered with a totally fallacious mental health diagnosis.

  7. amandaw

    How about the idiot psychologist at the county mental health center back in California who wrote “substance abuse” on my file (I saw when she left the room for a short time to get something from the printer or somesuch) because I listed Vicodin as a medication? That would just go dandy as I try to maneuver life with a chronic pain condition. Mmhmm.

    There’s a reason I wrote a letter, long though it may be, to add to my records after the wild shouter of a doctor verbally assaulted me about being addicted and ruining my life and soforth. Last thing I need is for THAT visit, and whatever the hell she wrote about it, to sit on my record uncontested. And that’s a record that is only shared with other providers when I specifically authorize it. I know the danger well enough, given how many problems I already have accessing treatment.

  8. amandaw

    I’ve never understood the obsession with shared electronic medical records. I understand why electronic record systems are useful — my clinic uses them (in a run-down little building in the “bad” part of town, but everyone carrying those little laptops and electronic pulse readers and such) — but whatever efficiencies may be realized by making them universal still don’t stand up to the very serious privacy violations involved in automatically sharing them.

    I can only imagine if the records from ALL the abusive doctors had been available to any doctor I saw.
    I can only imagine how getting a “second opinion” would go if the doctor could see that you have seen six different doctors before hir about this same situation. (But you live in a ruralish area and the doctors have vastly outdated understanding of the condition, misdiagnose/mistreat you, make it worse, etc.)
    I can only imagine what would happen if I were under treatment for a psychiatric condition at the same time as trying to get help for physical pain from a provider who has made it clear sie is prone to attribute that pain to “just depression” whenever it can be dismissed that way — but who is the only doctor available/practical to treat that condition, leaving you stuck with hir.

    And so forth.

    The people who can run right past all these scenarios are people who are lucky enough to be healthy and “normal” enough not to have been mistreated. The people who, even if they faced an odd case of mistreatment, would be able to shrug it off because there isn’t that power imbalance involved. They aren’t dependent on that precarious balance and aren’t going to face loss of income, employment, pension, insurance, etc. because of it. Lucky them.

  9. Rebekka

    “The people who, even if they faced an odd case of mistreatment, would be able to shrug it off because there isn’t that power imbalance involved. ”

    I get that you’re saying that with a disability, there’s more of a power imbalance, but there is a power imbalance *inherent* in the doctor/patient relationship, because the authority is all on the doctor’s side. I’m lucky enough to be healthy and relatively “normal” (as you put it) but I’ve still had that power imbalance used against me, as I said above.

  10. Meg Thornton

    Having worked and lived on both sides of the Centrelink counter (I’ve been employed by Centrelink as counter staff and tech support staff, and I’m now on the dole for the second time in my life) I know full well that while the government does what it can to maintain privacy, it can’t do everything. Nobody can. We’re only human. Centrelink is well and truly doing their level best to avoid errors and privacy breaches. The notion of allowing full and frank access to my medical records to any and all persons who feel they have a need to know about them terrifies me as a result – particularly since I do have a mental illness.

    Heck, here’s another hypothetical: my brother and I have the same first initial, and I’m still using my birth surname. So what happens if somewhere in the process of shuffling things, the whole business gets cross-linked? All of a sudden, people looking for my data see his, and people looking for his data see mine, which puts his job in danger because of my mental illness. Let’s leave out things like the fact it’s probably an inheritable one (both of our parents and three out of four of our grandparents were either diagnosed with it, or clearly displayed the symptoms) and what that means for his two daughters – neither of whom show any signs of being followed by the family curse at this stage. Just the fact that the two of us, with our different medical histories, could be confused (and oy, the trouble which would be involved in getting things sorted, because of course the system would be right, rather than either of us) makes me wary of the whole notion.

    But heck, why not push this whole-heartedly in the direction this guy wants to know – let’s have all our information cross-linked across the various state and federal government agencies, and have our entire histories available for everyone to read whenever they want. Link your credit history in as well, not to mention your police record, your Centrelink history (which starts when your parents claim Family Payment for you… trust me, Centrelink has most of the country on their database), your billing records with the various utilities, your bank account details, your school reports, any military service, full work history, etc. Now try changing your address even once.

  11. hexy

    Jeebus.

    As a schizophrenic sex worker, my view on the cops being able to obtain that information at any given time is a resounding and terrified DO NOT WANT.

  12. Liam

    First let me say that this kind of medical information scheme is six different kinds of ill-advised and I’m furiously in agreement with all other commenters.
    It’s the justification the author’s tried out that is what irritates me on this one—it’s the use of “Child Protection!” to support the most bizarre and unrelated policy schemes. It’s going to get to the point where if a Council wants to raise parking levies or the Commonwealth wants to reform small business tax regulation they’ll start raising the prospect of All The Abused Children to do it. It’s sloppy, lazy, and insulting argument, and every time someone does it, the actual issue of child neglect and abuse is made more difficult to engage with in public.
    To paraphrase Peter Pan; every time someone says they support more child removals for a wider range of reasons, a decent argument in favour of a limited role for the State in parenting loses its wings.
    (Furthermore, if just being cared-for temporarily by a drunk parent were grounds for summary child removal, I don’t think I’d have a single friend or relative who’d been brought up outside permanent foster care).

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