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		<title>By: Person</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20091109.6943/once-again-for-the-clue-challenged/comment-page-2/#comment-138371</link>
		<dc:creator>Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can i add that, free speech doesn&#039;t extend to private spaces. 

If i organise a conference, then you&#039;re gonna stick to our rules. In our conference there are no rape jokes by speakers allowed. This isn&#039;t a restiction on anyone&#039;s free speech - they can go organise their own conference, and i&#039;ll express my disgust at their special &quot;rape jokes allowed&quot; conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can i add that, free speech doesn&#8217;t extend to private spaces. </p>
<p>If i organise a conference, then you&#8217;re gonna stick to our rules. In our conference there are no rape jokes by speakers allowed. This isn&#8217;t a restiction on anyone&#8217;s free speech &#8211; they can go organise their own conference, and i&#8217;ll express my disgust at their special &#8220;rape jokes allowed&#8221; conference.</p>
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		<title>By: PharaohKatt</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20091109.6943/once-again-for-the-clue-challenged/comment-page-2/#comment-137768</link>
		<dc:creator>PharaohKatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, I know what you mean. It&#039;s a nice way to ignore someone&#039;s argument with a little ableism thrown in. Blech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, I know what you mean. It&#8217;s a nice way to ignore someone&#8217;s argument with a little ableism thrown in. Blech.</p>
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		<title>By: Jemima Aslana</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20091109.6943/once-again-for-the-clue-challenged/comment-page-2/#comment-137767</link>
		<dc:creator>Jemima Aslana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to you both as well. I suppose, what with my blog being rather unknown, I&#039;m spared much of the Inbox horrors others receive. It&#039;s fairly easy for me to delete one or two messages, I can see why it&#039;ll be a strain to have 50 times that amount. Most of my experience comes from messageboards, and goodness knows I&#039;ve had my share of ruined days on them.

But that brings me back to the actual topic, with one of those examples:

Questioning someone&#039;s sanity because their opinion differs from your own.

That ones pisses me off so bad every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to you both as well. I suppose, what with my blog being rather unknown, I&#8217;m spared much of the Inbox horrors others receive. It&#8217;s fairly easy for me to delete one or two messages, I can see why it&#8217;ll be a strain to have 50 times that amount. Most of my experience comes from messageboards, and goodness knows I&#8217;ve had my share of ruined days on them.</p>
<p>But that brings me back to the actual topic, with one of those examples:</p>
<p>Questioning someone&#8217;s sanity because their opinion differs from your own.</p>
<p>That ones pisses me off so bad every time.</p>
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		<title>By: PharaohKatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>PharaohKatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jemima &amp; tigtog:
Yup, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jemima &amp; tigtog:<br />
Yup, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20091109.6943/once-again-for-the-clue-challenged/comment-page-2/#comment-137765</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://hoydenabouttown.com/20091109.6943/once-again-for-the-clue-challenged/comment-page-2/#comment-137761&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@PharaohKatt&lt;/a&gt;,

 My own position was initially more closely aligned with Jemima&#039;s, but receiving the comment notifications from FF101 regularly in my mailbox makes me appreciate your point quite viscerally.  I hope for support for the arguments I&#039;m making, and am often confronted with vitriol instead, and it is a burden.

Shelby, like any other new commenter, is still Schrödinger&#039;s Troll for me - I don&#039;t know what will be found when/if the box unfolds, and until it is fully open I am wary.  Especially when other signs appear to point to the undesirable result.  Could those signs be a coincidence, and not necessarily The Mark of The Troll?  Of course.  But I do not apologise for being wary of Schrödinger&#039;s Troll, just as I am wary of Schrödinger&#039;s Rapist, Schrödinger&#039;s Racist, Schrödinger&#039;s Fat-Hater and all the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://hoydenabouttown.com/20091109.6943/once-again-for-the-clue-challenged/comment-page-2/#comment-137761" rel="nofollow">@PharaohKatt</a>,</p>
<p> My own position was initially more closely aligned with Jemima&#8217;s, but receiving the comment notifications from FF101 regularly in my mailbox makes me appreciate your point quite viscerally.  I hope for support for the arguments I&#8217;m making, and am often confronted with vitriol instead, and it is a burden.</p>
<p>Shelby, like any other new commenter, is still Schrödinger&#8217;s Troll for me &#8211; I don&#8217;t know what will be found when/if the box unfolds, and until it is fully open I am wary.  Especially when other signs appear to point to the undesirable result.  Could those signs be a coincidence, and not necessarily The Mark of The Troll?  Of course.  But I do not apologise for being wary of Schrödinger&#8217;s Troll, just as I am wary of Schrödinger&#8217;s Rapist, Schrödinger&#8217;s Racist, Schrödinger&#8217;s Fat-Hater and all the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Jemima Aslana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jemima Aslana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch, yeah, I can see how that&#039;d ruin your day. I&#039;m sorry. And the jerk actually called it a flounce when it was merely self-presevation. Yich.

Still, though, comments delivered in my Inbox can still be left unopened for days. I don&#039;t know what mail program/site you&#039;re using obviously, but if I&#039;ve concluded that comments on a specific blogpost will be potentially hurtful, then I can still leave them in my Inbox for a time when I feel ready to deal with the crap - or not deal at all and just delete them. Admittedly it took me quite a while to learn that I did not owe anyone my attention, but that&#039;s not everyone else&#039;s fault.

Of course things overlap, and while it is their fault that they&#039;re being hurtful, it&#039;s not their fault that I choose to read anyway. If it was the first comment and it caught me by surprise, yes, then there was nothing I could have done, and it&#039;d be their fault. But if it was the third comment, and I could see where it was going, and then contrary to better judgment going back to read more, then it&#039;s  me ruining my day. They&#039;re still being jerks (or maybe they&#039;re not, depending on who&#039;s being the self-entitled one) and that doesn&#039;t change, but as long as I have every chance in the world to not expose myself to their presence, I can&#039;t really blame them alone for ruining my day. Same reason I don&#039;t show up to nazi-meetings and other racist bull. It&#039;ll ruin my day or even week/month, so I stay away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch, yeah, I can see how that&#8217;d ruin your day. I&#8217;m sorry. And the jerk actually called it a flounce when it was merely self-presevation. Yich.</p>
<p>Still, though, comments delivered in my Inbox can still be left unopened for days. I don&#8217;t know what mail program/site you&#8217;re using obviously, but if I&#8217;ve concluded that comments on a specific blogpost will be potentially hurtful, then I can still leave them in my Inbox for a time when I feel ready to deal with the crap &#8211; or not deal at all and just delete them. Admittedly it took me quite a while to learn that I did not owe anyone my attention, but that&#8217;s not everyone else&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>Of course things overlap, and while it is their fault that they&#8217;re being hurtful, it&#8217;s not their fault that I choose to read anyway. If it was the first comment and it caught me by surprise, yes, then there was nothing I could have done, and it&#8217;d be their fault. But if it was the third comment, and I could see where it was going, and then contrary to better judgment going back to read more, then it&#8217;s  me ruining my day. They&#8217;re still being jerks (or maybe they&#8217;re not, depending on who&#8217;s being the self-entitled one) and that doesn&#8217;t change, but as long as I have every chance in the world to not expose myself to their presence, I can&#8217;t really blame them alone for ruining my day. Same reason I don&#8217;t show up to nazi-meetings and other racist bull. It&#8217;ll ruin my day or even week/month, so I stay away.</p>
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		<title>By: PharaohKatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>PharaohKatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jemima: Or you could be having the comments delivered directly to your inbox. where it&#039;s really hard to avoid them. 
Look, I&#039;m not agreeing with her stance, not even talking about it. I am talking directly about your comment.
It really struck a chord. &lt;a href=&quot;http://pharaoh-katt.livejournal.com/75700.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s an example of an internet comment ruining my day&lt;/a&gt;. Sure, I could have just walked away. But what was said was still said, and yeah, it ruined my day. And the fact that every time that person made a reply it was sent straight to my inbox made it kinda hard to avoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jemima: Or you could be having the comments delivered directly to your inbox. where it&#8217;s really hard to avoid them.<br />
Look, I&#8217;m not agreeing with her stance, not even talking about it. I am talking directly about your comment.<br />
It really struck a chord. <a href="http://pharaoh-katt.livejournal.com/75700.html" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s an example of an internet comment ruining my day</a>. Sure, I could have just walked away. But what was said was still said, and yeah, it ruined my day. And the fact that every time that person made a reply it was sent straight to my inbox made it kinda hard to avoid.</p>
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		<title>By: Jemima Aslana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jemima Aslana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they can. I&#039;ve had my days ruined multiple times, difference is I blame only myself for being stupid enough to read stuff I know holds a risk of being hurtful. Read my post again for better understanding. I did not claim they couldn&#039;t ruin your day. The problem is not the comments, the problem is the apparent idea that you had no option to avoid those comments.

Shelby was well aware that it would ruin her mood to hang out here - she stated so herself - and yet she returns on the same day Nov 13th and then accuses everyone here of ruining her day, when it would have been easy for her to simply stay away like she said she would. 

Unless of course she has something akin to a compulsion, in which case we&#039;re talking about something entirely different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they can. I&#8217;ve had my days ruined multiple times, difference is I blame only myself for being stupid enough to read stuff I know holds a risk of being hurtful. Read my post again for better understanding. I did not claim they couldn&#8217;t ruin your day. The problem is not the comments, the problem is the apparent idea that you had no option to avoid those comments.</p>
<p>Shelby was well aware that it would ruin her mood to hang out here &#8211; she stated so herself &#8211; and yet she returns on the same day Nov 13th and then accuses everyone here of ruining her day, when it would have been easy for her to simply stay away like she said she would. </p>
<p>Unless of course she has something akin to a compulsion, in which case we&#8217;re talking about something entirely different.</p>
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		<title>By: PharaohKatt</title>
		<link>http://hoydenabouttown.com/20091109.6943/once-again-for-the-clue-challenged/comment-page-2/#comment-137757</link>
		<dc:creator>PharaohKatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jemima: Internet comments can ruin your day. To say otherwise is speaking from a position of privilege. 

Back to the topic: People who work in the child care profession and talk about children who have been sexually abused as a huge inconvenience to you.
Hey areshole, get the fuck away from my kids!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jemima: Internet comments can ruin your day. To say otherwise is speaking from a position of privilege. </p>
<p>Back to the topic: People who work in the child care profession and talk about children who have been sexually abused as a huge inconvenience to you.<br />
Hey areshole, get the fuck away from my kids!</p>
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		<title>By: Jemima Aslana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jemima Aslana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blaming everyone else for ruining your mood/day, when you&#039;re completely free to go away and not read/listen/partake.

Check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blaming everyone else for ruining your mood/day, when you&#8217;re completely free to go away and not read/listen/partake.</p>
<p>Check.</p>
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