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	<title>Comments on: More on St Paul&#8217;s College &#8220;Define Statutory&#8221; facebook page</title>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that while &quot;gank&quot; is used in MMPORGs as a shortening for &quot;gang kill&quot; (not &quot;gang rape&quot;), &quot;gank&quot; for &quot;steal/nick/reproduce&quot; predates it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that while &#8220;gank&#8221; is used in MMPORGs as a shortening for &#8220;gang kill&#8221; (not &#8220;gang rape&#8221;), &#8220;gank&#8221; for &#8220;steal/nick/reproduce&#8221; predates it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitrona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitrona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda, I&#039;m curious about where you read that &quot;ganking&quot; is a shortened form of &quot;gang raping&quot;, because to me, a shortened form of &quot;gang raping&quot; would be &quot;ganping&quot;. Where does the k come from?

I&#039;ve always heard it as an alternative to yanking, borrowing or using (as in userpics on LJ), thieving, or, in gamer terms, killing or mugging.

That said, the &quot;anti-consent&quot; thing does pretty much explicitly say what the group was ACTUALLY about, because that doesn&#039;t really have any other meanings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda, I&#8217;m curious about where you read that &#8220;ganking&#8221; is a shortened form of &#8220;gang raping&#8221;, because to me, a shortened form of &#8220;gang raping&#8221; would be &#8220;ganping&#8221;. Where does the k come from?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always heard it as an alternative to yanking, borrowing or using (as in userpics on LJ), thieving, or, in gamer terms, killing or mugging.</p>
<p>That said, the &#8220;anti-consent&#8221; thing does pretty much explicitly say what the group was ACTUALLY about, because that doesn&#8217;t really have any other meanings.</p>
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		<title>By: orlando</title>
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		<dc:creator>orlando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In cases like the one getting so much attention in California at the moment where highschool boys pack raped a girl and left her for dead, or when the little girl was raped and murdered by students and surfers in Newcastle twenty years ago, we hear about the boys&#039; underprivileged backgrounds. When it&#039;s the activities of these University students or of professional footballers we hear that it happens because they&#039;re so over-privileged. Time to ask why whatever their socioeconomic situation the commen element is to violently act out their tribalism on the bodies of women.

I&#039;ve been mulling over this a lot the last couple of days, because I was at the smallest of the UNSW colleges in the early 90&#039;s, and I was one of the ones who let it define their whole life at the time. Hell, I met my partner there, as well as those who remain our core group of friends. But there are several memories, and questions, that are rising to the surface:
- I remember that we always regarded the Sydney Uni colleges as being of a different, and suspect order: church run, private school filled, spoilt and, yes, a bit scary.
- Our Head of College was a feminist (I remember once she got an invitation from the Catholic college addressed to &quot;Dr &amp; Mrs&quot;, and she wrote back that she was delighted to see they were so supportive of same sex couples, but she and her spouse would not be attending), and I think I only appreciate now what a massive difference it made to our whole college culture. And yet -
- I remember there being an &quot;eternal vigilence&quot; feeling about the need to keep pushing back at signs of rugger-bugger (yes, we used that term too) culture, and the need to keep stressing that bigoted behaviour wouldn&#039;t be tolerated. So we knew we weren&#039;t free of it in our place either.
- The year I left those of us who had been there a while were worried by the seemingly greater influx of guys from rural boarding schools changing the dynamic. Which makes me think by the time these men get to Uni they&#039;re already broken.
- A couple of them took a set against me for no earthly reason I can discern, except that I generally used to object to any really sexist stuff they did (bear in mind that I was waaaay less bolshie then than I am now) and proceeded to tear me to shreads in the college yearbook. Which says an awful lot about this spoilt child complex we&#039;re seeing so much of.

Sorry for the long. I may be back when/if I construct some conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In cases like the one getting so much attention in California at the moment where highschool boys pack raped a girl and left her for dead, or when the little girl was raped and murdered by students and surfers in Newcastle twenty years ago, we hear about the boys&#8217; underprivileged backgrounds. When it&#8217;s the activities of these University students or of professional footballers we hear that it happens because they&#8217;re so over-privileged. Time to ask why whatever their socioeconomic situation the commen element is to violently act out their tribalism on the bodies of women.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been mulling over this a lot the last couple of days, because I was at the smallest of the UNSW colleges in the early 90&#8217;s, and I was one of the ones who let it define their whole life at the time. Hell, I met my partner there, as well as those who remain our core group of friends. But there are several memories, and questions, that are rising to the surface:<br />
- I remember that we always regarded the Sydney Uni colleges as being of a different, and suspect order: church run, private school filled, spoilt and, yes, a bit scary.<br />
- Our Head of College was a feminist (I remember once she got an invitation from the Catholic college addressed to &#8220;Dr &amp; Mrs&#8221;, and she wrote back that she was delighted to see they were so supportive of same sex couples, but she and her spouse would not be attending), and I think I only appreciate now what a massive difference it made to our whole college culture. And yet -<br />
- I remember there being an &#8220;eternal vigilence&#8221; feeling about the need to keep pushing back at signs of rugger-bugger (yes, we used that term too) culture, and the need to keep stressing that bigoted behaviour wouldn&#8217;t be tolerated. So we knew we weren&#8217;t free of it in our place either.<br />
- The year I left those of us who had been there a while were worried by the seemingly greater influx of guys from rural boarding schools changing the dynamic. Which makes me think by the time these men get to Uni they&#8217;re already broken.<br />
- A couple of them took a set against me for no earthly reason I can discern, except that I generally used to object to any really sexist stuff they did (bear in mind that I was waaaay less bolshie then than I am now) and proceeded to tear me to shreads in the college yearbook. Which says an awful lot about this spoilt child complex we&#8217;re seeing so much of.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long. I may be back when/if I construct some conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the gaming thing  is so blase. Ugh.  I play WOW and most often hear the term &quot;ganking&quot; meaning one player set upon by numerous others which I didn&#039;t think much about until I read it was a conflation of &quot;gang raping.&quot;     Its always in my mind that I will read it there from some random  (communication being via text in the game) and it will ruin my enjoyment of the game. 

Small point: Pru Goward is MP/Oppn Minister  in the NSW state parliament, not the Fed one. 

Sydney Uni is right on the outskirts of the inner city, an area people are likely to warn you about because of street crime etc, but seems to me you are at more danger of harrassment behind the sandstone walls than outside them ....
.-= Amanda´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://flopearedmule.net/2009/10/bluesfest.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bluesfest&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the gaming thing  is so blase. Ugh.  I play WOW and most often hear the term &#8220;ganking&#8221; meaning one player set upon by numerous others which I didn&#8217;t think much about until I read it was a conflation of &#8220;gang raping.&#8221;     Its always in my mind that I will read it there from some random  (communication being via text in the game) and it will ruin my enjoyment of the game. </p>
<p>Small point: Pru Goward is MP/Oppn Minister  in the NSW state parliament, not the Fed one. </p>
<p>Sydney Uni is right on the outskirts of the inner city, an area people are likely to warn you about because of street crime etc, but seems to me you are at more danger of harrassment behind the sandstone walls than outside them &#8230;.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Amanda´s last blog ..<a href="http://flopearedmule.net/2009/10/bluesfest.html" rel="nofollow">Bluesfest</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://hoydenabouttown.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Li</title>
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		<dc:creator>Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so the gamer comment made me pretty much explode inside my head. Sure, rape may have other meanings (or, you know, is a metaphor, which is most definitely exactly the same thing as having multiple meanings and definitely is above any linguistic analysis), but I&#039;m pretty sure that anti-consent doesn&#039;t have specific meaning within gamer communities outside of sexual consent and I REALLY WANT TO HURL NOW.

Also, this is awful enough that even my wow guild, who are generally pretty terribad at any kind of inclusiveness are talking about how incredibly unacceptable it is. Ok, I am going to go and vent somewhere.

gah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so the gamer comment made me pretty much explode inside my head. Sure, rape may have other meanings (or, you know, is a metaphor, which is most definitely exactly the same thing as having multiple meanings and definitely is above any linguistic analysis), but I&#8217;m pretty sure that anti-consent doesn&#8217;t have specific meaning within gamer communities outside of sexual consent and I REALLY WANT TO HURL NOW.</p>
<p>Also, this is awful enough that even my wow guild, who are generally pretty terribad at any kind of inclusiveness are talking about how incredibly unacceptable it is. Ok, I am going to go and vent somewhere.</p>
<p>gah.</p>
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