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	<title>Comments on: (Belated) Whodensday: Waters of Mars Spoiler and Discussion Post!</title>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I expect that it will hit Oz screens around about the Australia Day weekend, going by last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expect that it will hit Oz screens around about the Australia Day weekend, going by last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost missed this last night, saw it just by chance on the TV guide. Does anyone know when the Xmas special is on?</description>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These pesky actors, they keep on getting offered roles that expand and extend their career, and thinking that taking those opportunities are more important than the Whoniverse!  Or being veterans who just like to do the occasional guest role to keep their hand in, rather than committing to recurring episodes that would involve too much time away from the garden and the grandchildren, or from their own dream project. Some of them are really keen on a great death scene for their showreel, too!  A writer can&#039;t just park all of them in sinecures at Torchwood or UNIT for later narrative embellishments, that sort of repetition might be seen as unimaginative, and that&#039;s not good for the writer&#039;s career, and if someone who&#039;s great at creating kickarse characters stops getting work, who&#039;s to say that another writer will create characters that we enjoy as much?

Doctor Who has always been about ordinary people finding the resolve within themselves to kick arse in extraordinary circumstances, and the thing about kicking arse (especially if one isn&#039;t actually trained in special arsekicking skills) is that it is risky.  Since the danger and death surrounding the Doctor is one of the recurring and overarching themes of 40 years worth of narrative, then if the kickarse people never never ever suffered or died or diminished as a consequence of taking extraordinary risks, I&#039;m not sure that I&#039;d find the Whoniverse as compelling as I do.   Drama needs tragedy as well as triumph, and if characters we care about never ever die or diminish, then it&#039;s just another action adventure show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These pesky actors, they keep on getting offered roles that expand and extend their career, and thinking that taking those opportunities are more important than the Whoniverse!  Or being veterans who just like to do the occasional guest role to keep their hand in, rather than committing to recurring episodes that would involve too much time away from the garden and the grandchildren, or from their own dream project. Some of them are really keen on a great death scene for their showreel, too!  A writer can&#8217;t just park all of them in sinecures at Torchwood or UNIT for later narrative embellishments, that sort of repetition might be seen as unimaginative, and that&#8217;s not good for the writer&#8217;s career, and if someone who&#8217;s great at creating kickarse characters stops getting work, who&#8217;s to say that another writer will create characters that we enjoy as much?</p>
<p>Doctor Who has always been about ordinary people finding the resolve within themselves to kick arse in extraordinary circumstances, and the thing about kicking arse (especially if one isn&#8217;t actually trained in special arsekicking skills) is that it is risky.  Since the danger and death surrounding the Doctor is one of the recurring and overarching themes of 40 years worth of narrative, then if the kickarse people never never ever suffered or died or diminished as a consequence of taking extraordinary risks, I&#8217;m not sure that I&#8217;d find the Whoniverse as compelling as I do.   Drama needs tragedy as well as triumph, and if characters we care about never ever die or diminish, then it&#8217;s just another action adventure show.</p>
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		<title>By: Beppie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;OH COME ON RTD GIVE US ONE SURVIVING KICKASS WOMAN&lt;/i&gt;

Rose? Martha? Donna? Christina? Sarah Jane? Gwen?

It&#039;s not like there&#039;s a dearth of suriviving kick-ass women in RTD&#039;s work (and I maintain that Donna is kick-ass regardless of whether or not she remembers the Doctor).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>OH COME ON RTD GIVE US ONE SURVIVING KICKASS WOMAN</i></p>
<p>Rose? Martha? Donna? Christina? Sarah Jane? Gwen?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like there&#8217;s a dearth of suriviving kick-ass women in RTD&#8217;s work (and I maintain that Donna is kick-ass regardless of whether or not she remembers the Doctor).</p>
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		<title>By: QoT</title>
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		<dc:creator>QoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We finally got to see it here in NZ! (God I hate our TV broadcasters.)

Regarding the Dalek thing, in my head the whole &quot;it knew your death was fixed&quot; was more of an instinctive thing - not the Dalek itself thinking &quot;shit, can&#039;t kill this little girl, time/space continuum etc etc&quot; but more a kind of intuitive, gut-instinct, &quot;leave this one alone&quot; feeling.

So gutted Adelaide died, and agree with lauredhel that it&#039;s very OH COME ON RTD GIVE US ONE SURVIVING KICKASS WOMAN, but very very happy that it was basically a big middle finger to omnipotent!wanker!doctor.

If Donna is in any way horribly mistreated in End of Time I am just going to have to quit the series. If she&#039;s horribly mistreated AND the Doctor whinges about Rose bloody Tyler I&#039;m quitting anything with RTD&#039;s fingerprints on it forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We finally got to see it here in NZ! (God I hate our TV broadcasters.)</p>
<p>Regarding the Dalek thing, in my head the whole &#8220;it knew your death was fixed&#8221; was more of an instinctive thing &#8211; not the Dalek itself thinking &#8220;shit, can&#8217;t kill this little girl, time/space continuum etc etc&#8221; but more a kind of intuitive, gut-instinct, &#8220;leave this one alone&#8221; feeling.</p>
<p>So gutted Adelaide died, and agree with lauredhel that it&#8217;s very OH COME ON RTD GIVE US ONE SURVIVING KICKASS WOMAN, but very very happy that it was basically a big middle finger to omnipotent!wanker!doctor.</p>
<p>If Donna is in any way horribly mistreated in End of Time I am just going to have to quit the series. If she&#8217;s horribly mistreated AND the Doctor whinges about Rose bloody Tyler I&#8217;m quitting anything with RTD&#8217;s fingerprints on it forever.</p>
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		<title>By: calyx</title>
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		<dc:creator>calyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna, I really hope that you are right about Donna kicking Ten&#039;s butt. I really can&#039;t see any way in which Donna might die that would reconcile me. She better be alive and reasonably happy (preferably with memories intact) at the end, that&#039;s all I can say. No effin fridging.

Bit apphrehensive about possible &quot;fobwatches for everyone&quot;, hafta say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna, I really hope that you are right about Donna kicking Ten&#8217;s butt. I really can&#8217;t see any way in which Donna might die that would reconcile me. She better be alive and reasonably happy (preferably with memories intact) at the end, that&#8217;s all I can say. No effin fridging.</p>
<p>Bit apphrehensive about possible &#8220;fobwatches for everyone&#8221;, hafta say.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[If I can spell my own name right this time.]

Donna&#039;s gonna kick his furry white butt.  And then yell at him.  &quot;Time Lord Victorious?  What sort of arsehole name is that!  Oi, Space Boy, I&#039;m gonna kick you so hard you&#039;ll feel it forever!&quot;

I have this crack!theory that Young Red-haired Companion is regenerated Time Lord Donna.  Or something.  I don&#039;t know.  But Donna! DONNA!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[If I can spell my own name right this time.]</p>
<p>Donna&#8217;s gonna kick his furry white butt.  And then yell at him.  &#8220;Time Lord Victorious?  What sort of arsehole name is that!  Oi, Space Boy, I&#8217;m gonna kick you so hard you&#8217;ll feel it forever!&#8221;</p>
<p>I have this crack!theory that Young Red-haired Companion is regenerated Time Lord Donna.  Or something.  I don&#8217;t know.  But Donna! DONNA!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Beppie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna -- I too am very excited about Donna, but also rather fearful.  I hope that these two episodes will have the theme of &quot;the Doctor dealing with the consequences of his actions&quot; (including wiping Donna&#039;s memory), but after &lt;i&gt;Children of Earth&lt;/i&gt;, I fear that Donna&#039;s death may be one of those consequences -- and that would rip me to pieces. :(

(This is pure speculation, btw, not based on anything spoilery, other than the trailer.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna &#8212; I too am very excited about Donna, but also rather fearful.  I hope that these two episodes will have the theme of &#8220;the Doctor dealing with the consequences of his actions&#8221; (including wiping Donna&#8217;s memory), but after <i>Children of Earth</i>, I fear that Donna&#8217;s death may be one of those consequences &#8212; and that would rip me to pieces. :(</p>
<p>(This is pure speculation, btw, not based on anything spoilery, other than the trailer.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna Donna Donna Donna Donna!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Beppie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna-- yes, please talk about the closing trailer.

I&#039;ll do a post on the Children in Need preview this Wednesday, so we can discuss that seperately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna&#8211; yes, please talk about the closing trailer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll do a post on the Children in Need preview this Wednesday, so we can discuss that seperately.</p>
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