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8 responses to “Private messaging exists on social networking sites for a reason”

  1. Mary

    It’s not clear to me that her employer would have regarded a private message any differently (the paraphrase simply says “online forums”, which doesn’t distinguish between Wall and the private messaging on Facebook), and given that the wording was threatening, perhaps shouldn’t have, but of course there would be far less viewers able to call it to the employer’s attention.

    As regards the sympathetic spin, I wonder if it doesn’t come more from the detail about how they had a printout of the last six months of her public Facebook activities. (It doesn’t state whether that was because her Wall was truly public, whether one of her contacts provided it to them, or whether they got it from the Facebook company itself. I would guess the first two are about equally likely and the third unlikely, if only because assembling the necessary legal force to draft the request wouldn’t be that fast.) I suspect that many regular users would be uneasy about that much activity, read in one go, adding up to something entirely pleasing to their employer, even if they are not posting comments directly threatening towards colleagues.

    Social networking sites don’t make this easy, but I think where possible it’s sensible to lock or delete older content if you can, due to this cumulative effect.

  2. Rebekka

    The article also said “Ms Marshall said she was called to a meeting and shown “six months’ worth” of older Facebook posts she had written and was sacked – a move she thought was extreme.”

    Six months’ worth would seem to indicate she’d written things about her employer/fellow employees repeatedly, not just the once.

    ETA: my comment crossed with Mary’s, who already pointed out the six months’ worth thing.

  3. Annaham

    Why I’ve locked my Twitter and Facebook, encapsulated in one unfortunate story.

  4. Sheryl

    I agree, tigtog.
    I know of a young Facebook user who revealed in a wall-to-wall chat that he had only 50 hours on his learner driver log book, and that he was planning to copy the last 70 from his sister’s book before he booked his driving test. (Readers out of NSW … learner drivers are required by law to show evidence of 120 hours supervised driving experience before sitting their test for a provisional licence.)
    He didn’t seem to have any concern that #1 his plan was illegal and stupid; and #2 that all of the shared friends (several hundred people) could see what he’d written.
    Print screen is very useful.

  5. Helen

    Six months’ worth would seem to indicate she’d written things about her employer/fellow employees repeatedly, not just the once.

    It does indicate however, that her employers were willing to go to quite creepy lengths vis a vis stalking their employees. (I’m not condoning her behaviour.)

  6. Katherine

    I don’t know about this specific instance, but in some of the news I hear about things like this, employers don’t distinguish between generic “Argh what a horrible day at work” or “my work sucks” and specific, defamatory “[name of employer] is a terrible place to work”.

    I also only let friends see anything I post, and I only have one co-worker on my friends list. I’d be glad to be fired if my employer felt it necessary to coerce her into giving them a list of my activity, or if they got it directly from facebook. Not that I think there’s anything bad on there, it’s mostly stuff about my cat. But unless your wall is public and there are specific defamatory things on there, it should be treated as private, even if you have friended your boss.

  7. Astrid

    I am very open online, suing my first name on a number of forums and my full name on my blog (I don’t use Facebook cause I don’t want messages I wrote years ago to hang around with my full name attached). However, I do try to be careful not to say things about real-life people that could be identifiable. I wasn’t always that careful though, so my former teachers have found a lot I wrote about them (nothing nasty) on my blog.

  8. James

    Counterpoint: danah boyd has talked about this a lot, including Making Sense of Privacy and Publicity, Public by Default, Private when Necessary and just because we can, doesn’t mean we should:

    Being socially exposed is AOK when you hold a lot of privilege, when people cannot hold meaningful power over you, or when you can route around such efforts. Such is the life of most of the tech geeks living in Silicon Valley. But I spend all of my time with teenagers, one of the most vulnerable populations because of their lack of agency (let alone rights).

    Of course, teens are only one of the populations that such exposure will effect. Think about whistle blowers, women or queer folk in repressive societies, journalists, etc. The privileged often argue that society will be changed if all of those oppressed are suddenly visible. Personally, I don’t think that risking people’s lives is a good way to test this philosophy.

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