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7 responses to “Femmostroppo Reader – June 8, 2010”

  1. Lauredhel

    I wish, for once, for ONCE, the mass media (and bloggers, come to that) would distinguish between “unplanned” and “unwanted”.

    I want to know more about the methodology here, too. I’ve poked around news article after news article, and nothing’s said about the selection/inclusion/exclusion criteria or the control group. Were these lesbians who were conceiving with ART compared to other ART families (in which case they’re all “planned”, thankyouverymuch), or to some random population sample (in which case there are likely to be far more differences between the groups than whether or not the pregnancies were planned).?

    As far as I can see from the abstract, it was a highly self-selected sample was compared to “their age-matched counterparts in Achenbach’s normative sample of American youth”. What else was different about them? We could be discovering something like “lesbians receiving ART services and enrolling in long-term behavioural studies 17 years ago and not lost to followup were richer/more privileged than average”, which is hardly likely to be revelatory.

  2. Lauredhel

    OK, I’ve read the full paper now. Here is the selection method:

    Between 1986 and 1992, prospective lesbian mothers who were inseminating or pregnant through DI were recruited via announcements that were distributed at lesbian events, in women’s bookstores, and in lesbian newspapers throughout the metropolitan areas of Boston, Washington, DC, and San Francisco.

    The authors note in the discussion:

    [...] recruiting was limited to the relatively small number of prospective mothers who felt safe enough to identify publicly as lesbian, who had the economic resources to afford DI, and who, in the pre-Internet era, were affiliated with the communities in which the study was advertised.

    The participants, both parents and children, seem to have known they were in a study looking into the behaviour of children of lesbians, and both parents and children were asked specific questions about lesbian stigmatisation.

    The groups were similar in economic status, but, as the authors note, they neither matched nor controlled for race or region – and their sample was far more likely to be white and far more likely to have Northeastern heritage than the “control” group (there were almost no midwesterners or southerners).

    There is nothing in the discussion involving, specifically, whether or not pregnancies were planned, and as far as I could find, no information about this in the Achenbach sample. Rather, the authors say this:

    These findings may be explained in part by the NLLFS mothers’ commitment even before their offspring were born to be fully engaged in the process of parenting. During pregnancy, the prospective mothers took classes and formed support groups to learn about childrearing. They were actively involved in the education of their children and aspired to remain close to them, however unique their interests, orientations, and preferences may be.

    And then… this.

    The lower levels of externalizing problem behavior among the NLLFS adolescents may be explained by the disciplinary styles used in lesbian mother households. The NLLFS mothers reported using verbal limit-setting more often with their children. Other studies have found that lesbian mothers use less corporal punishment and less power assertion than heterosexual fathers.

    So what we have, in fact, is better reported behavioural outcomes amongst the children of privileged white urban community-rich politically-engaged parentally-engaged parents who don’t hit. And are lesbians.

    I’m all for research demonstrating what we know to be true (that gay parents aren’t inherently OMGawful for kids), but it would be nice to have a little rigour both in the science and in media interpretation the results.

  3. thacky

    Did anyone see the article in the Green Guide re a documentary on a ‘false rape’ charge? http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/a-parents-worst-nightmare-20100602-wyxx.html
    I cringed when I saw the article because I didn’t think the world needed another story about false rape allegations – so much more interesting, apparently, than credible rape allegations where the accused gets off on the flimsiest of grounds!
    On reading the article, I became even more pissed off – I may be missing something, but this seems to be saying it was a false allegation because procedure wasn’t properly followed. The author doesn’t seem to even consider the possibility that the allegation was not false AND the police screwed up procedure.
    Maybe the doco gives more nuance – but this sounds like “nice guy, says he never even met this girl, who says he did it, but there’s no valid evidence because police stuffed up the process, so she’s obviously lying.” Which chain of thinking I am having trouble following.
    Sorry to drop this in this thread – wasn’t sure where to bring this up.
    Am I reading this right? Is this another ‘women are always accusing totally innocent guys of rape’ story?

  4. Thacky

    This case seems like it deserved some attention – if evidence relating to a violent rape allegation was not handled properly, that’s a serious concern on its own, regardless if some ‘nice boy’ and his concerned parents were caught up in it. But the case of a white, middle-class boy being treated poorly (assuming that happened) is apparently of major concern but the case of woman’s complaint about an attack going nowhere is just business-as-usual. The tease for this story was something like “Australians think they can trust the justice system..” and I thought – “All too many of them know they can’t …” – especially survivors of rape.

  5. Jo Tamar

    I had the same reaction to the stories about that doco (although also haven’t seen the doco itself). I saw it first in a preview thing a few days ago, and the headline didn’t just say “Every Family’s Nightmare” but “Every Family’s Worst Nightmare”. I accept that getting caught up in an investigation is pretty horrendous, especially if you didn’t actually commit the crime and you end up spending time in prison and so on. But worst nightmare? Come on. I would think that (1) every family (indeed, every person!) would have different things they would find the most fearful/horrific – and for that reason, as well as the fact that some experiences just can’t be compared, I’d hesitate to call any particular experience “the worst”; and (2) surely a family member dying (or, indeed, being a victim of rape rather than falsely accused of a crime!) would be significantly worse than this!

    Grrr.

    Having said that: yes, there are real concerns with the investigative procedures. Richard Ackland discusses those (he refers to WA and in NSW – probably because the doco was about WA and he’s writing in the SMH – but it’s entirely likely that at least some other states use the same procedures).

    However, he also buys the line that the complainant (to whom he refers as the “victim”, complete with scare quotes) “concocted” the “story” (he did not use scare quotes for those words). He also doesn’t explicitly come out and admit that the boy lied about never meeting the girl (but he clearly accepts that the boy did lie, by saying that he “initially denied” meeting her).

    Ackland is usually a bit savvier than that! I’m quite disappointed.

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