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13 responses to “Why women can’t have it all, how they’re not to blame, and how we can make it better”

  1. tigtog

    Thanks for rounding up those responses to the Slaughter article. Much food for thought there.

  2. bluntshovels

    Thanks for the comprehensive round-up, bluemilk. Not sure if you saw this Salon piece by Rebecca Traister?

    The structural problems with conventional, capitalist workplaces have consequences for individuals who are in any way different from the theoretical economic automatons (SWM) of a previous age.

    That said, those previous ages hid a great deal of the work of women in keeping the whole schebang on the road. (I’m not at home ATM, so can’t get the exact bit from this book, but Eisler has all the relevant data-bits on unpaid care work’s contribution to economic growth.)

    For those workplaces that are more open to the complexity of workers’ lives, is there then an inherent trade off in wages and status? Here, I’m thinking of the community/NFP sector vs merchant banking, for example. Or is that more a function of the type of work that is valued?

    Need more coffee for these big thinkings!!

  3. bluntshovels

    Aargh! Can the mods please fix my HTML fail?! Thanks a million!

    [Done! ~tt]

  4. bluntshovels

    Thanks tigtog!

  5. tigtog
  6. Chris

    When Ms. Sandberg confessed in a recent interviewthat, contrary to her work-hound reputation, she leaves work at 5:30 p.m. to eat dinner with her children, and returns to a computer later, she earned yet another round of attention, and her words were taken as the working-mom equivalent of a papal ruling.

    I think this is actually really common in the tech industry amongst both men and women. Perhaps because its generally a lot easier compared to other industries for these people to work from home. Also see people wake up very early in the morning, work for a couple of hours and then take a break to get their kids ready and do the childcare/school dropoff before heading off to the office themselves.

    I think the “have-it-all” (especially at the same time) is a myth for both men and women. Unless by having it all you mean just meeting society’s expectations of what it means to be a mother or a father. For example, very very few really successful men have ever had as much family involvement as women are expected to have as mothers. Those men who have managed it usually do the career first and then cruise when the have a family, which is much easier for men to do by having much younger partners.

    As a father I really don’t see how it is possible for me to both push the career envelope at the same time as spending as much time with my daughter as I think would be optimal for her. There’s simply not enough hours in the day to do that – you have to compromise somewhere and decide where you’re most comfortable. For some that means compromising on career progression, for others its sacrificing family time (the default and societal expectation for men).

  7. Mindy

    Perhaps we need to stop treating being at the office all hours to gain career progression as the norm? I wonder if people started to work assorted hours to suit their needs (whether caring, pursuing other interests or relaxing on the lounge) and signed up for X no. of hours per day (capped at 8) if after an initial transition period people discovered that in fact productivity didn’t go down and that things actually could run reasonably smoothly with a bit of organisation.

  8. Feminist Avatar

    Apart from the fact that study after study shows that longer hours do not improve productivity (exhaustion counterbalances any productivity from time at work and workers tend to get distracted more easily when tired so spend their time on HAT and not doing their actual job), there are lots of reasons beyond improving family life that might make reducing the hours spent at work a good idea. For starters, it builds into a system of continual growth (we work longer to produce more quicker) that has an unsustainable environmental impact, and (if the work really needs to be done in this time frame) we take jobs from other people, which is particularly relevant in Europe and the US where unemployment is huge at the moment. Longer hours are also worse for health and wellbeing, increasing stress and stress-related diseases that have an economic cost through work absence and pressure on the healthcare system.

  9. Rebekka

    Mindy that might work for some jobs, but wouldn’t work for jobs like mine, where part of the requirement is being in the office the same hours as the boss in case they need something, and being on call at other times.

  10. Mindy

    See that’s what I get for commenting when hungry. You are absolutely correct. Some jobs would suit various hours, others not so much. I guess the other thing is that the cost of replicating all the systems at work here to my computer at home would just be horrendous. Then there is the stuff that you can work on remotely but you have to upload before you download from another computer or you lose all the work you have just done etc etc. Why isn’t there a simple solution goddammit!

  11. Rebekka

    My work laptop just gets me straight into the work systems – I have the same desktop, file system etc that we do at work.

  12. Mindy

    I think that is probably because you are very busy and important Rebekka :P

  13. Rebekka

    Well, obviously ;-P, but I was just pointing it out as the “simple solution”!

    Seriously though, jobs like mine are not compatible with “having it all” as women. I couldn’t have young children and do this job. And having children would have a serious detrimental effect on my career.

    To my mind, that largely has nothing to do with how ‘family friendly’ our workplace is (it isn’t, but that’s because of the nature of the job), but to do with how much of the caring responsibility still falls on women’s shoulders. To be fair this job is pretty hard on blokes with kids too, but they can do it because they have women at home doing that work. We’re away from home about half the time, apart from anything else. It takes a pretty understanding partner, of either gender, to deal with that, let alone deal with kids in our absence.

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