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11 responses to “Ninjaed! Links debunking the pseudoscience of alpha status and social dominance”

  1. Megpie71

    Let’s not forget the cheerful consideration that pack structures of lupine carnivores are almost totally inadequate as a way of explaining the group dynamics of hominoid primates.

    If we look at our closest surviving biological relatives (genus Pan, the chimpanzees and bonobos) we don’t see much of a pack structure at all, and what we do see gets rather complicated very quickly. Rather like human cultural systems anyway…

  2. Megpie71

    [Slight tangent: I am now slightly irritated, because I went and read the “Whatever” threads linked to in the post above, and then got sent to a post from the “Electrolite”[1] archives wherein a particular wide-mouthed frog with Views (I’ll refer to him as Victor Delta[2] in this comment because he does tend to Kiboze himself, and I wouldn’t wish him on the mod queue here) showed up to “defend his honour” and managed to convince all and sundry he wasn’t worthy of discussion within the space of about five posts. On the one hand, I do now know the origin of the joking comparison of trolls with pinata on both “Whatever” and the “Making Light” blogs, so I suppose all is not lost…

    [1] Electrolite used to be the blog of Patrick Nielsen Hayden, back before he folded it into “Making Light”.
    [2] Trollumnist, anti-feminist, and renowned for asking all kinds of persons, including luminaries like P Z Myers to debate him[3].
    [3] Where “debate” means “attempt to discuss something (anything) with him and fail miserably because he’s too busy hitting himself over the head with the goalposts he’s attempting to move.”]

  3. tigtog

    Apologies, Megpie – I’d forgotten about the “Victor Delta” quotient. Did you know that he’s also an SF author?

    btw, Deltoid also used to refer to certain contrarians as pinata, but Tim hasn’t been blogging nearly as much as he used to over the last couple of years.

  4. tigtog

    Here is a shortened link that is not compatible with Kibozing:

  5. Megpie71

    I didn’t before I started the whole reading. I do now, although his books are apparently Christianist fantasy with avenging angels and such. He hasn’t landed on my “might be worth reading” list… can’t think why!

  6. Aqua of the Questioners

    You hadn’t encountered Victor Delta before? I have run into him in so many places I just roll my eyes now. He’s definitely on the list of People You May Wish To Avoid On The Internet that should be issued to every person who isn’t a white heterosexual cis male.

  7. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Oh cool, I’m glad you mentioned the ManBoobz article! I spend ::mumbles:: hours on there and remember that one well. And not just for the zombie wolf in the pic, either. :)

  8. tigtog

    AotQ, I described Victor Delta as “self-anointed all-round ‘expert’ and bundle of trust-funded smug … “Christian Libertarian” pundit” back in a 2006 post, so I’ve certainly been aware of him for quite a while.

  9. Megpie71

    I’ve run across references to him before (I used to read “Respectful Insolence” on a regular basis, and he cropped up there a lot) but never actually read anything he’d written. After all, if he’s a trollumnist for the WingNut Daily, that’s a pretty solid dis-recommendation right there.

    (My position is if I want to read incoherent ramblings about the nature of the world which bear little to no resemblance to external reality, well, that’s what the Time Cube site is for.)

  10. Raegus

    There’s clearly such things as alpha males, I am one.

  11. tigtog

    In what sense exactly, Raegus?

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