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12 responses to “Smug married guy, you don’t know anything about single mothers”

  1. Mark Richardson

    I read the discussion you linked to. It was about using a term from African American culture “baby daddy” to refer to the biological father of a child.

    I got the impression that few of the liberal participants were really worried about falling into trends within African American culture in which the father is most usually absent from the family.

    Do you really want married men to take the attitude that being present within the family is of no consequence? If men really took such an attitude the efforts men make to be providers and to contribute to the care and socialisation of their children would inevitably decline.

  2. tigtog

    Drawing an awfully long bow there, both you and any other commentors at Offsprung who took the same line.

    Fact of the matter is, there are inevitably going to be some children born where the biological fathers either do not want anything to do with raising the child or the mother does not want them involved. I can understand why the mothers of those children would like a term to distinguish those men from non-custodial fathers who are involved in raising their offspring even though they are separated from their mothers.

    Surely having such a term would reinforce the value placed on married men (and unmarried men for that matter) being present within the family? Not using the same word for those fathers as for uninvolved fathers?

    Edited to add: totally went off half-cocked here. Read comment below.

  3. tigtog

    Rereading Lauren’s original post, I see that I got it totally arse about from memory above, as she was referring to the evolution of the term amongst her age cohort of single parents who find that “ex-boyfriend” doesn’t seem a serious enough term for the father of their child(ren), and that the original connotation of uninvolvement with the child does seem to no longer apply.

    In comments she clarifies:

    As stigmatized as “baby daddy” is, it still manages to hit the most important points: never married to one another, not in a relationship with one another, have a child together.

    So how does a choice of term within the unmarried parenting community affected married men in any way?

  4. Mary Tracy9

    You tell them, bluemilk!!!

    The traditional nuclear family is dying. And people are getting anxious, because once it does, there will be no guarantee that what they are doing, ie: getting married and having children, will be morally superior to any other lifestyle.

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  6. Rebekka

    Weird, I read the post, and all the comments, and have not a clue where Mark got that impression from.

    And I have usually got pretty good reading comprehension.

  7. Another Outspoken Female

    On a slightly different note, can we think of a term we can label guys (beyond “bastard”)who say to women they impregnate “if you have the child I won’t support you or the child physically, finanically or emotionally in any way” and “I continue to refuse to use condoms”?

  8. tigtog

    Once upon a time words such as “cad” and “bounder” and “libertine” would have been hissed venomously and non-ironically, but they’ve become jokes.

    I think we need a new term, definitely, and I hereby declare that we are going to take the model of the Dag’s Dictionary Challenge and choose the best suggested word/phrase that defines such a user perfectly.

    I’m sure that we can come up with something at least as memorable as the examples below?

    Airfauxbics (ayr’ fo biks) noun. Any sequence of stretching exercises designed to cover the fact that the person at whom you just waved turned out to be a complete stranger.

    Famnesia (fam nee’ zee ah) noun. The tendency to mix up the names of family members, calling the boy by the girl’s name, the father by the mother ‘s, and the baby girl by the dog’s.

    Get your thinking caps on, Hoydenistas!

  9. Mindy

    I would suggest that Smug Married Guy look at his own family first before making comments about others. He may be surprised to find that his wife feels like a ‘Married Single Mother’ (w thanks to Kathy Lette). I’m not saying she does, but with an attitude like his, lets say I wouldn’t be surprised.

  10. Rebekka

    “On a slightly different note, can we think of a term we can label guys (beyond “bastard”)who say to women they impregnate “if you have the child I won’t support you or the child physically, finanically or emotionally in any way” and “I continue to refuse to use condoms”?”

    I have a very good name for those guys. Doomed-never-to-sleep-with-a-woman-again.

  11. On a slightly different note, can we think of a term we can label guys (beyond “bastard”)who say to women they impregnate “if you have the child I won’t support you or the child physically, finanically or emotionally in any way” and “I continue to refuse to use condoms”?

    Parchedcocks?

  12. blue milk

    Rebekka – I’m so glad you couldn’t follow that first comment either. I never responded to you Mark, because basically I haven’t got a clue what you’re on about.

    Lauredhel – I love parchedcock. That was laugh out loud funny.

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