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13 responses to “John McCain supports pseudoscience”

  1. Unknown Troper

    There was a site that promoted itself as “progressive” – was against bad baby names and poor parenting – but supported the anti-vaccination crowd – which as more than one doctor has pointed out is highly dangerous to children – “anti-vaccination liars” still rings in my ears.

    I eventually came to the conclusion that the site was “Clayton’s progressive” – the progressive you have when your not actually being progressive.

  2. Red Queen

    Ughhhhhh- please someone spare us from the terror of a McCain presidency. I can already see that he would cut subsidies of vaccines to poor kids in the name of autism prevention.

    I miss science. I am tired of living in a place that is trying to throw us back into the dark ages.

    Red Queen’s last blog post..Ho Hum

  3. Helen

    I can’t find the link now, but I read on one of the science blogs that the mercury-related isotope in Thimerosal wasn’t even the same as the mercury that gets into fish. Instead of having a long life, this stuff decays in days or something, so it doesn’t present the same risk. It just goes to show how dangerous partial information is. “Oooh, Mercury!” Yes, but not the same mercury.

    Helen’s last blog post..Yes Dear, I?ll help you overthrow the military-industrial complex just as soon as I get this passionfruit sponge out of the oven

  4. Club Troppo » Missing Link Daily

    [...] An entertaining critique follows.  Meanwhile and in response, Jake Young argues that it’s not war just pedantry.John McCain may not be part of the main Republican assault on science; but he doesn’t resile from a skirmish when there are votes in it. tigtog reports, and sets the record straight on autism and vaccinations. [...]

  5. kate

    The mercury crap also got a good run at my birth centre antenatal class. I was horrified by the mis-information, the ill-thought-out fear-based discussion, and most of all, that the midwife leading the class was completely ill-equipped to clear up the crap.

    There was only one daughter of a naturopath and completely opposed to vaccines person in the class. The others were just concerned, and determined to make informed decisions. If their decisions were based on that class, then they weren’t getting all the info they needed. I didn’t have the info to clear things up, but it all sounded dodgy.

    Perhaps the anti-vaccine crowd need to ask one simple question: do the doctors and scientists who advocate vaccines use them on their own children? The answer is “yes indeedy, every vaccine they can get their hands on, even the ones that aren’t subsidised yet.”

  6. su

    Thimerosal wasn’t used in Australian injections, I believe. Is it likely that compound x is responsible for the increasing incidence of a disorder in one country while in another country that same increase is caused by something else?

  7. Tracee Sioux

    Did you see on the news tonight that the government just settled a lawsuit saying that the vaccine “contributed” to and resulted in autistic symptoms in a young girl?

    Tracee Sioux’s last blog post..Favorite Female Blogger

  8. Grendel

    I’m always concerned that these studies focus on the USA – there are places where mercury has not been used in vaccines for even longer than in the USA and Autism rates continue to climb.

    My oldest son has autism – we too went through all the research that we could to answer the big ‘why’ questions.

    I firmly believe that the the ‘link’ is (as TigTog suggested) temporally coincidental. I now work in the disability sector, and everything I have seen, and anyone who konws anything about autism in a professional sense, reject the notion of a vaccine relationship to autism generally.

    That doesn’t mean to say that some children who have an allergy to other ingredients don’t have a reaction that causes brain damage, but these circumstances are extremely rare and represent a much lower risk than the risks posed from the diseases you vaccinate against.

    McCain just lost me totally. Rant over!

    Grendel’s last blog post..Dealers

  9. ladoctorita

    i’m not sure if it’s what tracee sioux was referring to, but the government did just settle a case in georgia admitting that vaccines might have had to do with the girl’s specific case of autism:

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/03/07/autism.vaccines.analysis.ap/index.html

  10. Another Outspoken Female

    Only in the last couple of years have scientists and doctors publishing research had to disclose conflicts of research – a quick search of recently published studies on vaccines disclose wide funding directly and indirectly by pharmaceutical companies. I do not know if there is any harm (rather than 100% benefit as is the line in public health policy)in immunisation, only I have a deep, inherent trust of pharmaceutical companies, only worsened by personal discussions with ex-employees of some big pharmas.

    Ethyl mercury is still in a number of vaccines in the USA and Australia including tetanus. Ethyl mercury does have a shorter half life than methyl mercury – but 3.5 days for a 6 month old infant to metabolise half the amount of mercury is still significant. Compare this to the half life of a few hours in caffeine.

    Adverse reactions to vaccines and medicines generally are poorly reported and post markeet survellience by companies is shoddy to say the least. The history of the oral contraceptive pill is a good example of this.

    If you ever want to start a brawl at a dinner party – discuss the pros and cons of childhood immunisation. I don’t have all the answers but have enough medical and scientific knowledge to analyse what is published. It is an absolute minefiend.

    Since all the commenters have been so well informed so far, I am surprised no one has questioned the federal legislation passed in the late ’90′s specifically protecting doctors from prosecution is they fail supply full information about vaccine risks, or was that because no one noticed? Likewise the direct financial incentives to keep their immunisation rates up. Is that informed consent?

    Another Outspoken Female’s last blog post..women and art

  11. another outspoken female

    Correction: inherent DIStrust :)

  12. Fimail

    “I do not know if there is any harm (rather than 100% benefit as is the line in public health policy)in immunisation”

    I’d just note that immunisation is usually not looked at in such black and white terms by people in public health but rather in terms of risk analysis.

    Why was the oral polio sabin removed from the schedule? Because it was no longer deemed that the live vaccine was preventing polio any better than a non-live version of the vaccine and had a higher level of side effects. Given this was the information explained to me by the nurse at the immunisation clinic regarding the change I feel it is actually not a case of the line in public health policy being of “100% benefit”.

    My gripe with the anti-immunisation movement is the parents I know who are influenced not by scare mongering or pseudoscience but told they have done the wrong thing when they send their kids to steiner (waldorf) schools and given a whole series of reasons not to vaccinate. The one thing they may not be told is the reason that Steiner himself gave. Rudolph Steiner (and his anthrphosophy movement) oppose vaccination why? For medical reasons? Because of the preservatives? No no! Childhood illnesses, according to steiner, are a kind of means of sorting our the karma from a child’s past life.

    A modern waldorf source claims “Serious complications in childhood illness which produce permanent damage or even death are probably deeply founded in the destiny of the person concerned.”. (quoted http://www.openwaldorf.com/health.html though the link is broken to the original source. this link also points out that some antivaccination websites are run by anthrophosophists citing medical reasons not to vaccinate)

    Fantastic, if my child dies sorting out his karmic past that’s just great.

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