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tigtog (aka Viv) lives in Sydney, Australia: husband, 2 kids, cat, house, garden, just enough wine-racks and (sigh) far too few bookshelves. You can read more about Viv on her bio page.

30 responses to “Rape myths, rape myth acceptance, and community perceptions of victims of sexual violence”

  1. Helen

    Thanks for bringing this up, let me just say that I’ve realised that one of the more aggressive commenters on that thread of mine is really not well and I didn’t realise that at first, as some of his posts on other blogs are relatively sane. But he’s in moderation now.

    I came across an interesting post on the CT blog a couple of months later, meant to post on it but lost interest. The premise is basically this. The rape study that you’re talking about was roundly denounced by the unreconstructed commenters because: a. It was qualitative, and the people frequenting / writing on that blog tend to favour quants. Fair enough, up to a point, but b. They reckoned because they interviewed actual victims, the whole thing was hopelessly biased, propaganda, even. One of the more intelligent male commenters remarked that after all, it was a survey interviewing victims of violence, but he was shouted down. This is just the relatively sane component of the discussion.

    Fast forward to the other day when the same blog published a post about a Harper’s article on a compilation of interviews with a Guantanamo Bay prison guard. If Nick had had the same motivation to mock and deride as he did the NSW rape study, he would have had ample opportunity. Instead of a cheesy poem, we have a cheesy tabloid headline (Former Gitmo Guard Tells All, rendered in all caps in the blog post). The original piece was entirely qualitative, that is, based on someone’s testimony. Also, it was the testimony of one person. While the rape study was graduate work, the Gitmo story was compiled by law students.

    Is there anything wrong with any of that? No – this isn’t about spc Brandon Neely and his veracity or lack of – and other things I’ve read and seen about Guantanamo make this account ring true. But there’s no reason to believe his account is any more or less biased than the victims of domestic violence. What interests me is the way in which the studies, both based on stories gathered from relatively powerless people, were received by both poster and comments. There was no mention of the inferiority of qualitative research. The man’s testimony was taken, end of story. The silverbacks were quiet and respectful.

    One of these things is somewhat* like the others. Why was one instantly believed and the other instantly derided?

    *For the benefit of the excitably reading -challenged, this does not mean “exactly”.

  2. hellonhairylegs

    Thank you for putting this together tigtog.

    “Studies have shown that a disturbingly high level of teenage boys condone sexual violence, reinforcing the need for sexual violence prevention education in secondary schools ”

    Boys are growing up now, dating now. The government needs to act on this.

  3. Beppie

    Thanks for this, Tigtog.

    Another really insidious (is there any other kind?) rape myth is that guys who rape are unable to come across as “nice” — I think this feeds into the “stranger in the bushes” myth, as most people simply don’t want to believe that a man could be a rapist if he is also someone with whom they are able to laugh, for whom they might have felt sympathy or empathy at different times, who may have, at some points in his life, displayed behaviours that are generally valorised by our culture.

  4. This makes me so damn sad, and so damn angry.

  5. orlando

    Very useful and comprehensive, thank you.

    One thing I wish we would see in the press is acknowledgement of the implications of the parallel growth of blame culture and raunch culture. That is, there is some MSM coverage of the way young women are under massive pressure to present themselves to the world as sexual commodities, but I have never seen it mentioned that this very phenomenon sets them up to be blamed if someone rapes them. You have to be sexy or you’re worthless! Of course you were raped, you were being sexy! Just once I would like to see it recognised what a staggering victory this is for the rapists in our society.

  6. Deborah

    Thanks, Tigtog.

    There was a long thread at Kiwipolitico a month or two ago, when Anita (feminist) made what was to me an entirely unremarkable statement, that we all know rapists. She went further, saying that friends don’t let friends rape. The howls of disbelief and affronted male posturing were unbelievable.

    This is a great resource, thank you, Tigtog. What worries me, terribly, is that in a few years, my beautiful daughters will be taking their first steps into exploring their sexuality with another person.

  7. blue milk

    Fantastic post tigtog! I get the sense you have to smother this particular fire with study after study after study to go anywhere close to putting it out. Nice persistence.

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  10. Laiste

    Outstanding article. Thanks for all your hard work. You’ve said with eloquence something I was fumbling with the other day. I will definitely be sending quite a few people this way.

  11. hendo

    Damn, this is a good post. Thankyou. Next time I get cranky about this I’m going to send people the way of this entry. Thankyou, thankyou.

  12. Marie

    I’m not sure if this study has been posted, but if not it’s a good one to refer to as far as the obstacles victims face when they report rape to police.

    http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:6w4gau0c6KwJ:www.police.vic.gov.au/retrievemedia.asp%3FMedia_ID%3D19462+2000-2003&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

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  14. fuckpoliteness

    I know it’s been said before, but thanks for the amount of work you put in to produce something this comprehensive! I too shall be pointing people this way.

  15. Helen

    From Marie’s link above, in the summary of findings:

    Police did not proceed with more than 60 per cent of investigations.
    15.1 per cent of rape complaints were withdrawn.
    46.4 per cent of rape complaints resulted in No Further Police Action.
    21.3 per cent of rape complaints were ‘still ongoing’ or could not be determined on the basis
    of the information in the case records.
    • Only 2.1 per cent of reports were designated by police as false.
    The belief that false allegations of rape are rife, is therefore challenged by the evidence.

    Why do we always get heaps of comments about false reports of rape whenever the topic is brought up in a non-feminist space?

    My slightly unwell commenter, before I sent him to the moderation bin, sent me a daily link to a blogger who publishes a link a day about “false rape allegations”. The wonderful premise, you see, is that false rape allegations are so common you can garner an example a day – proof positive! In fact, what the blogger was doing was finding an example a day, worldwide, of rape cases where the rapist was unable to be convicted – a very different thing.

  16. Beppie

    What I’d like to see is some information on how many men ever actually have sexual assault charges brought against them. Studies show that anywhere between 1 in 6 and 1 in 4 women in Western countries experience sexual assault over the course of their lifetime. Are there any statistics on what percentage of men are ever reported to the police for sexual assault, over the course of a lifetime?

    Because it strikes me that even if there was any truth to the ridiculous claim bandied about by MRAs that 40% of sexual assault accusations made to the police are false, the number of men facing false accusations would still be a lot less than the number of women who actually have been raped — and this would be true even if 1 in 6 or 1 in 4 men could expect to face sexual assault allegations in their lifetime. Even going by the faulty logic of those who claim that false accusations are rife, rape is still a bigger, more pervasive problem.

    I’d also like to know why, if false allegations are so pervsaive, men aren’t constantly being told not to drink, not to spend time alone with women or go up to their hotel rooms, not to put themselves in situations that would give women a chance to make a false accusation. I mean, isn’t that what our society generally does when we want to blame someone for something that isn’t their fault?

  17. Beppie

    Oh yes, absolutely.

    I was just pointing out that, even following screwed-up MRA “logic”, there would still be no way that the number of men falsely accused would be anything close to the number of women who are actually raped. I was using the 1 in 4/1 in 6 figures because I wanted to compare the liklihood of any rape accusation at all against men to the liklihood of rape for women. I in no way meant to imply that 1 in 4 or 1 in 6 men are actually rapists.

  18. tigtog

    I know you didn’t, Beppie – just clarifying for the lurkers, of whom there are plenty on this thread.

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  21. Dan Hemmens

    There was a long thread at Kiwipolitico a month or two ago, when Anita (feminist) made what was to me an entirely unremarkable statement, that we all know rapists.

    It’s a statement that seems unremarkable if you’re used to the issues at hand, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say it’s a very, very difficult statement for a lot of people to process.

    Rape is a very emotive term. It’s pretty much the first thing that anybody reaches for when they’re looking for an example of an absolutely unforgivable act. This is a broadly positive thing. It is also a broadly positive thing that date rape is increasingly widely accepted as a “real” crime. However, the more seriously we take the idea of rape in general the less willing many people (particularly men) are to label things rape in specific.

    For a man who generally considers himself to be sympathetic to feminist issues, the idea that there are guys out there who rape women is a comfortable one. It’s always nice to think that there are bad people out there who aren’t you. The idea that things you or your friends have done may actually be rape is as scary as hell. Genuinely accepting that rape really is the way the statistics say it is involves looking at yourself and saying “I might actually be a rapist or attempted rapist” and that’s territory most people just don’t want to go into.

    The hurdle a lot of people can’t get over is always going to be the point where you look at somebody who is accused of rape and realise that you, yourself, might have done the same thing in that situation. At that point the temptation to say “well actually I can see that it wasn’t really rape in that situation” is overwhelming, because the alternative is horrible. So we wind up with a situation where everybody condemns rapists in general, but makes excuses for them in every specific case.

    Or something. Sorry, that’s probably all really obvious to you guys.

  22. Helen

    Dan, that’s exactly what happened in the Thread of Doom I linked to in my linked post above. The writer huffed: “So there you go – rape really is on the end of every wolf whistle. I guess, if I wasn’t tapping away on this keyboard, I could be raping someone right now, and unless there’s something wrong with the research methodology it’s overwhelmingly likely that I wouldn’t even recognise what I was doing as a crime.” And it sort of went downhill from there.

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