Article written by Lauredhel

Lauredhel is an Australian woman and mother with a disability. She blogs about social justice, reproductive justice, freedom from violence, the use and misuse of language, medical science, being disabled, her garden, and whatever else pops into her head.

Lauredhel also blogs at FWD/Forward (feminists with disabilities), scribbles at her personal dreamwidth journal Selective and Arbitrary, and co-moderates Hollaback Australia. She joined Hoyden About Town in 2007.

21 responses to “Women as wheelbarrows: Italian PM wants woman in coma alive as fetus container”

  1. Bene

    Just when I thought I couldn’t loathe Berlusconi more, this shades of The Matrix business.

    Thanks for the post, Lauredhel, it’s really informative and well-researched on a topic I don’t know I’d have the intestinal fortitude to dig into otherwise.

  2. fuckpoliteness

    Jebus! This guy is a douchehound beyond belief. There aren’t words enough to describe how vile he is. YES, the thing that floored me was that to impregnate her in this condition would be rape or another violation. Ugh.

  3. Beppie

    I remember reading once, on one of the quiverfull blogs that I read, about a mother who spent ages searching for a book about pregnancy that didn’t mention what happens to the mother’s body during pregnancy at all — supposedly this was immodest. As you point out here, anti-choice fundamentalists simply want to erase women-as-people from the process of childbearing, because that brings up too many issues about personal autonomy that might lead to the conclusion that adult women’s lives and desires are more important than the life of a foetus that only has a life because it inhabits her body anyway.

  4. Dave Bath

    Berlusconi’s rationale that the woman was “in the condition to have babies” ignores the fact that consent by that woman to become pregnant is impossible – it would require rape.

    What would be the ethics of her guardian authorizing a tubal ligation or similar procedure to remove Berlusconi’s farcical objection?

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  5. links for 2009-02-09 « Shut Up, Sit Down

    [...] Women as wheelbarrows: Italian PM wants woman in coma alive as fetus container "Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, in consultation with the Vatican, is trying to overturn a court order to remove the feeding tubes from a woman who has been in a coma for 17 years and been assessed as having no hope of any recovery. [...]

  6. Ariane

    Berlusconi apparently fantasises about a world with comatose women in rows, feeding tubes hooked up, the fetuses that will be their goldensons slowly cooking away until they’re cut out when the machine goes ping.

    I think this is pretty horrific, but I also think this statement is a bit of a leap. In the spirit of not ascribing malice where stupidity will do, it seems altogether possible that this guy doesn’t fantasise about any such thing, but just believes that he clearly understands the wishes of the woman in question better than her family. I mean obviously, her father is delusional because all women would want to have a child by an possible means under any circumstances at all. (sarcasm off).

    Personally, if I am ever in a permanent vegetative state, I don’t actually care if they use me as a foetus container. Having said that, only my immediate family have the right to make that call, prats in any government clearly don’t. And I don’t expect my feelings to generalise. I fully appreciate that many people may find that concept utterly abhorrent, and that is a completely reasonable response. I am just wary of making a scheming devil out of an ignorant fool.

    Ariane’s last blog post..Tourist Tokyo

  7. SunlessNick

    it seems altogether possible that this guy doesn’t fantasise about any such thing, but just believes that he clearly understands the wishes of the woman in question

    I don’t think he’s given her wishes much of a thought. He just judges the value of her life by her reproductive potential.

  8. M-H

    It seems that she has now been allowed to go peacefully. And I don’t think that Berlusconi is evil; just plain dumb. He doesn’t think through the implications of his statements.

    M-H’s last blog post..Thanks

  9. fuckpoliteness

    I don’t know about that as a defence, he’s constantly saying horrific things about women, and his ‘apologies’ consist of ‘Well, hey, I like to make jokes and stop getting your feminist knickers in a twist’. I understand that this time wasn’t a joke…but how much ‘idiocy’ do we excuse about women’s issues from a Prime Minister who’s been picked up on this stuff over and over again?

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  11. Bene

    I’m with fp–the state of women’s rights in Italy is dubious at its best, and I’m pretty damn sure Berlusconi knows full well what he’s saying, by now. He’s no W to spout awkward malapropisms, he’s a misogynist and is single-handedly doing a fine job setting Italy back.

  12. M-H

    Surely what matters is that she is now at peace. I’m not excusing Berlusconi – he is a jerk, but he’s not our jerk, thank goodness. I just can’t waste energy on him.

    M-H’s last blog post..Finally, I found an angle

  13. su

    I don’t believe in the concept of evil but the idea of the President and a Cardinal conspiring over the heads of the Supreme Court gives me goosebumps anyway. There was a lot of protest in Italy which is a good sign, I guess, but who knows what would have happened had she not died perhaps Berlusconi and the Cardianl would have succeeded.

  14. D.R.

    Berlusconi – or Il Douche, is just carrying on the fine tradition of Italian fascisti.

    The Italians had their chance to redeem themselves when he was voted out previously, so why they put the mongrel back in is bewildering.

  15. fuckpoliteness

    Su…it’s an interesting point about ‘evil’. It sort of takes away the choice, the specificity of actions. It makes it as if you’re ‘possessed’, as if you’re no longer human (and then distances the very human-ness of whatever action it’s used to describe).

  16. D.R.

    The Catholicvote ad is an outright fraud – obstetric Ultrasound didn’t exist until 1962, the year after Barack’s birth.

  17. su

    Exactly my thoughts FP. It also gives people an excuse not to consider the reasons why a beautiful child will grow up to commit appalling acts and so absolves us from considering how we, society, may be complicit in the genesis of violence. So it can do both – absolve the individual and absolve the rest of us and neither should get off the hook.

    “Il Douche” – *snort*

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