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17 responses to “Who do we trust more to Do It Right?”

  1. Independents, Australian Democrats and Greens Senators galore, please!

    I’ve confess I’ve gone right off independents since the drawn-out Harradine catastrophe. Unless you have an independent with a demonstrated track record in and commitment to social justice – Democrats and Greens ahoy! At least they have a wee bit of responsibility to their party’s aims and objectives.

  2. Mark Bahnisch
  3. Wallaby

    Framing and reframing Howard’s latest attempt…

    There are other people who have done that more than adequately (tigtog, for example……

  4. sublime cowgirl

    On the FF point….this is bit of a sedge, but does ayone have the stats of FF’s level of indigenous votes?

    (I dont have a clue, btw, i havent followed their party much at all)

    I just have a hunch it may be higher than we may expect, given the traditionally (in a contemporary sense) conservative leaning of a significant percent of aboriginal people. Their national leader is/ was an aboriginal woman wasnt she?

    Speaking of counterintuitiveness, having spent a little time in and with different aboriginal and islander groups , i even have a sneaking suspicion that the Feds Brough love approach could even send a few more aboriginal votes their way. I know this sounds bizarre, but its just a hunch.

    ANother reason the ALP needs to give utmost thought and sensitivity to this one. I’m not surpised by Rudds response as yet. He’;s on the ground listening very carefully…(today up in Cairns at a conference listening to a raft of different aboriginal voices).

  5. Mark Bahnisch

    A lot of Indigenous people are evangelicals and Protestants, but it’s worth remembering that FF doesn’t have much of a vote generally to speak of!

  6. paul walter

    Wasn’t the loss of an independent senate what made 2004 such a double-whammy?
    Thanks, idiot ALP ‘Right’ faction and gulled yet again electorate.
    At least in previous years you had independents able to force parliamentary inquiries into a number of stunts previously pulled or attempted by the coalition ( truth overboard etc).
    The odd thing with FF is, as Bartlett has observed, they sometimes go in quite hard on issues the government would prefer them to avoid, including industrial relations and welfare changessince these affect their mortgage belt, blue coller Hansonist ‘battler’ constituency quite hard.
    In the lower house, Peter Andren shows the value of an intelligent independent, sometimes asking questions that the ALP, who should be asking them, will shy away from. But even were Labor to win, the senate remains the same for some time after the election.
    TigTog’s point concerning idigenous people is shrewd, given Pearson’s comments concerning “collectives” and privatisation; typical ‘third way’ tripe.
    If there is to be a future hiving-off of yet more public assets, may be some within the indigenous community might actually welcome an opportunity to position themselves for a future personal benefit, should such a process open up such possiblities.

  7. sublime cowgirl

    That’s why it’s so important to get the word out about other parties being better guardians for the continuation of a collaborative abuse intervention plan once it’s had its 6 months of circuit-breaking under Howard.

    Good point tt, though wedging on this issue (by either side, ) is poor form, imho. Its far too complex.

    (It seems Martin’s government pitched quite similar ideas to the Feds last year.)

  8. su

    The question is, how do we make sure that it’s not the Liberals still calling the shots at the end of the 6 months, so that the necessary measures can be continued and the counterproductive measures can be curtailed?

    Too much to expect that effective measures be implemented then? Lateline tonight again gives voice to the only indigenous person in Australia right now apparently. So good to hear Noel Peasorn castigating people who work on the coal face of indigenous child protection as merely “indulgent”.

  9. Mark Bahnisch

    This is one of the reasons why I’ve been critical of Pearson for years. A lot of bluster, and he rarely misses an opportunity to damn “progressives” while attacking people for politicising these issues. He’s a moralist – give up the grog and the problems go away. Well, we’ll see. But there’s a significant subtext of intra-Indigenous politics here – which I think comes through in Pearson’s dismissal of Indigenous organisations who dare to question the “emergency” measures. Precisely the same rhetoric as Howard and Brough – if you’re not with me, you’re against the kids.

  10. wbb

    He’s a moralist – give up the grog and the problems go away.

    It is not only the moralist who can recognize the damage caused by alcoholism, Mark. So I don’t think you’ve quite proved your thesis there.

  11. wbb

    So good to hear Noel Peasorn castigating people who work on the coal face of indigenous child protection as merely “indulgent”.

    Actually he castigated those who, as he sees it, are standing in the way of the current initiatives. Which is not the same thing at all, su.

  12. Mark Bahnisch

    When the transcript is out, if you can read it fairly and find a single instance of him according legitimacy to any criticism, I’ll be prepared to discuss modifying that characterisation, wbb. “With me or against me” was really the thrust. I was extremely disappointed both at the simplistic and dichotomised thrust of his remarks and the failure of Leigh Sales to question him rigorously.

  13. paul walter

    It was a right sight to watch Pearson, Rudd and Ken Henry at this mysterious “Institute” of Pearsons that has suddenly become so much of a mouthpiece for non-tory conservatism on Lateline, last night.
    Then the interview with Sales, with Pearson into that sort of predictable anti-progressive rant that irritates Mark.
    Those who read Dr. Anne Summers latest oped in the SMH will recall her scepticism at Rudd’s Beazleyism; his falling back into the trap of “metooism”.
    As with IR, if there is not that forceful refutation here of illogic and a rightful challenging of the paradigm, its reinforcement by default follows. All this because of this anal adherence to conservatist ideology from people who should know better, like the three examples above.
    And, PS, I still reckon Lateline was coopted into pushing a government line of which the latest antics are only another stage developed from last year. Indictes the depth of Howard’s cooption of public media in our country, despite many years of courageous resistance by broadsheet journalists.
    Exponentially later for Oz than many of its apathetic cdenizens might think, I suspect!

  14. su

    Actually he castigated those who, as he sees it, are standing in the way of the current initiatives.

    Including all of those who specialize in child protection issues Wbb, Prof Judy Atkinson and Dr Helen Milroy for example. If you can find a single person who has professional knowledge of child abuse issues and supports this plan, let me know.

  15. Club Troppo » Missing Link - 27 June 2007

    [...] thinks that the best hope for sensible government action on the indigenous crisis a balanced Senate, which will compel the major parties to work together, and ensure input from Greens and Democrats. [...]

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