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7 responses to “If you can’t defend yourself, you shouldn’t be allowed to speak”

  1. Julie

    As the years progress, I dislike the reporting of the Australian more and more, and respect them and their opinions less and less.

    This also extends to number of certain news sites and other papers.

    I believe to an extent of anonymity on the internet. I blog my opinions, and think they are fair opinions, but I don’t want a potential (or current) employer (or other such person), reading it and trying to make trouble for me because of it. They are my opinions and I stand by them, but anyone else is free to disagree (or agree) with them as they see fit, and I really don’t approve of outing people. It feels kind of like following someone home and then posting their personal details on facebook. It’s not on, and it can cost people their livelihoods (or their personal freedoms).

    But most journos don’t seem to care about that. All they want is a story. Doesn’t matter who it hurts or what damage it does. MSM is really getting on my nerves this year.

    re the Annabel Crabb comment; Whom gets to decide whom is an extreme case? The media? Because they’ve shown such excellent judgement before – (the vilification of Lindy Chamberlain?)

    (Hmm. I need to get some sleep before this gets any crankier. I love reading blogs like this. I get additional information – and links, that I might not find on my own.)

  2. Jason

    This whole controversy seems to be underpinned by a complete non-sequitur and a meaningless chant of “holding someone accountable”.

    The non-sequitur is that people who express a public opinion need to be “held accountable” in the first place. Why? The only way in which I’ve seen this justified is so that someone can launch an ad-hominem attack on someone else. So what if Anon. Q. Commentator is a member of the Elmo-for-President party? Or is the chairman of Elmo, Inc.? An argument is an argument — saying “of course they’d think that” is not a rebuttal or disproof. And it’s certainly not some fundamental human right.

    (Besides, anonymity has the disadvantage that in the absence of an identity, people will speculate about what axe you have, and why you are trying to grind it.)

    But the bigger question to me is not why, but how? What does “holding someone accountable” actually mean?

    And does anyone else find it vaguely threatening?

  3. Scott

    What I find interesting is the fairly obvious, at least to me, double standard here.

    Consider two scenarios -

    1) A public servant blogs about policial topics or information related to his position. Journalists consider he should identify himself and be outed.

    2) A public servant approaches a journalist and provides them with information related to his position. The journalist publishes it. The public servant’s boss (ie government) demands to know the source of the “leak”. The journalist protects to the death the anonymity of their source.

    Anyone else failing to see the difference – apart from the reaction of the journalists?

  4. Moz

    I think the privilege argument could be taken a lot further than you have.
    Being in a position where you can fearlessly reveal your opinions and behaviours is not something everyone has. Not everyone has an absolutely consistent persona with everyone they come in contact with, the founders of Google and Facebook notwithstanding. Nor can we all safely (or even comfortably) reveal everything that’s not absolutely secret to everyone.
    In a way I envy people who are so boringly mainstream that they can’t imagine offending anyone just by the way they are. But I realise that those people have enough power to insulate themselves from public disapproval, which is why they’ve never learned to fear it.
    Many people work for employers who have a “nothing controversial in the office” policy. Controversial in this sense is local – it’s what your workplace is uncomfortable with, and that can be hard to judge. It might not lead to immediate dismissal, but to negative reviews and being seen as “not part of the team”, which pushes you to the front of the redundancy queue.

  5. Mary

    There’s an interesting contrast: Facebook/Google etc promote “real names everywhere” as making social networks available and friendly to the everyperson, when in fact it’s a privilege to be able and allowed to claim and share every thought and social connection that you have.

    There are attacks on pseudonymity/separation of communities from both directions: using pseudonyms is both portrayed as for elitist techheads and at the same time for people who are unsuitable to be allowed to participate in public discourse.

  6. Rebecca

    Crikey came up with a really good response to this issue today:

    “But The Australian’s attack on him today?—?for that’s what it is?—?goes much further than the arcana of whether a public servant has complied with the APS Code of Conduct.

    Instead it seems to suggest public servants should not merely not express any views but not even hold them, which is either an extraordinary misinterpretation of the APS Code of Conduct by the journalist concerned or simply part of a what is a pretty gratuitous personal attack.

    Contrary to what The Australian seems to believe, public servants are permitted to vote and belong to political parties. They’re even permitted to stand for Parliament.”

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