Article written by

tigtog (aka Viv) is the founder of this blog. She lives in Sydney, Australia: husband, 2 kids, cat, house, garden, just enough wine-racks and (sigh) far too few bookshelves.

7 Responses

Page 1 of 1
  1. tree
    tree at |

    I just want to say thank you for linking to that post because the comments section is truly a wonder to behold. So shiny. I don’t think I’ve seen so many feminist, witty, awesome arguments even on feminist blogs.

  2. tigtog
    tigtog at |

    Glad you enjoyed it, tree! For the benefit of other readers, could you just clarify which of the FreeThoughtBlogs posts that I linked to has the shiny comments? (A lot of the commentors on all of those posts are regulars on all those blogs, so it could be any of them IMO, but presumably one in particular has caught your eye?)

  3. Aqua, of the Questioners
    Aqua, of the Questioners at |

    This is such an unfortunate situation, which triggers all my “I’m glad I’m not an Atheist” triggers. An informal social network to let those lucky enough to be in it know who are the creeps to avoid, and the rest of us left to our own devices? Yikes!

    [For the record, I’m a pretty hard-core atheist, but most of the Atheist/FtB Blogs stuff I’ve read resembles my own atheist position when I was a teenager so closely it’s hard for me not to feel their arguments are juvenile. I’m sure there’s some nuances I’m missing somewhere.]

  4. tigtog
    tigtog at |

    I think the idea that this existing network wasn’t helping everybody was part of the problem that had Jen mention it, Aqua – other women attendees weren’t being helped, and the behaviour was not being called out as unacceptable in public, therefore the problem was not being properly addressed through this private back-channel warning system.

    Obviously, these informal notes on whom to avoid where and when have always been part of women’s private conversations with each other, it’s not like it’s only been a problem within the Atheist/Skeptic movement to have concerns about inappropriate behaviour taken seriously. Everywhere that people have agitated for anti-harassment policies and accountable complaint procedures to be implemented, there has been pushback from the bigots and bullies and predators about how it’s TEOTWAWKI, until the policies and procedures actually implemented and life goes on with scarcely a blip.

    As I see the higher level of pushback currently displayed by segments within the fan/geek/nerd/skeptic community? Most are just resistant to institutional change, and also very attached to the idea of the skeptical community as being ethically superior and therefore not needing so many rules, because they really do think that skeptics/atheists are less likely to be exploitative/manipulative/oppressive than other people, and they resent the idea that these rules are actually needed. Then there are the actual exploitative/manipulative/oppressive types, who are successfully whipping up the reluctant-to-change types with cynical rhetoric about secret blacklists, special rights and the terrible awful insult that is being not automatically classed as EverSafe TrustBuddy by people they’ve only just met.

  5. Feminist Avatar
    Feminist Avatar at |

    But how are men meant to protect us if we don’t treat them all as EverSafe Trustbuddies?

    Interesting that the politics of naming and shaming is topical this week. It does raise an interesting tension between, on the one hand, providing concrete evidence of bad behaviour to the group and punishing the wrongdoer, and, on the other hand, labelling bad behaviour as the acts of certain bad people and so removing it of its political significance.

  6. YetAnotherMatt
    YetAnotherMatt at |


    Pffft! Just how can we protect you when you try to distract us allknowing men with unimportant stuff when the REAL issue is kids with thimbles and forks picking on Soap dogs? We are not just Ever safe Trust buddies, we are supersmart Ever safe Trust buddies.


  7. tigtog
    tigtog at |

    Very clever Matt, but maybe a bit too meta? Let’s not confuse lurkers who’ve only come to read this thread, please.

Comments are closed.