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12 responses to “Lingerie Football League: The Undakkening”

  1. Mindy

    Obviously cheerleaders wear too many layers or something. I always thought they were scantily clad but obviously not enough. If someone wants to run around the footy field in their knickers, in the middle of winter, then more power to them but don’t pretend it is anything to do with sport.

  2. AMM

    For some reason, I’ve been seeing a lot of articles lately which seem to assume that anything a woman “chooses” to do must be feminist, simply because she is choosing it.
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    By that logic, suttee is feminist, too, since many of the women did (and do) it voluntarily (for some interpretation of the word “voluntarily.”)
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    BTW, is it my imagination, or are a lot of ideas and arguments being labelled “feminist” nowadays that back in the 1980′s or so would not have passed the laugh test? I keep getting the feeling that a lot of what was considered common knowledge (e.g., internalized sexism/patriarchy) 30 years ago has been forgotten.

  3. orlando

    How very brave and daring to defend the right of large corporations to pay young, thin women to appear in public in their underwear and be laughed at.

  4. keira

    Surely a simple reversal game works to show this up as, at best, kinda dumb, and at worst bloody awful sexist crap.

    If I held a netball comp that featured built, semi naked guys playing a “lighter” version of the game for a shorter period in their matching undies, I’d be held up as vulgar, and of course the players would be ridiculed for their engagement in a weak, silly, pretend sport.

  5. keira

    (and of course there’d be the what-about-the-children! Because exposure to the concept of female desire (or homosexual male desire) is more serious than even exposure to breast feeding images in its damaging potential.)

  6. Mindy

    I’m guessing Helen Razer doesn’t know the full story, but maybe by now she has read this which is doing the rounds on twitter today. Blood boiling.

    In the case of the LFL, as of March 2011, when the league officially became ‘amateur’, the players stopped being paid. In fact, instead of the ticket royalty splits they had been making per game, players themselves now have to pay dues for the opportunity to participate – about US$45 per game. If these women want to make a personal income from the sport, they have to negotiate ‘individual sponsorship endorsements’.

    I would also like to rescind my comment about this being nothing to do with sport – apparently these women are athletes and they aren’t just running around in their knickers, they are playing gridiron. But because of the rules around who can play gridiron, the only way they can play the game they love is in their underwear. They aren’t happy about it either.

    With any luck this crap version of the game will force a re-think so that women’s leagues can start for real. Or they discover women’s rugby while in Australia and play that instead, with real protective equipment and uniforms.

  7. Megpie71

    BTW, is it my imagination, or are a lot of ideas and arguments being labelled “feminist” nowadays that back in the 1980?s or so would not have passed the laugh test? I keep getting the feeling that a lot of what was considered common knowledge (e.g., internalized sexism/patriarchy) 30 years ago has been forgotten.

    AMM: Yeah, I’ve been feeling that way myself. Then again, I’m in my forties, so I’m old enough to remember a lot of these arguments as they went through the first time (and were laughed out of the field back then). I have to admit to being somewhat puzzled by what could be termed “raunch feminism”, where we’re being told that by objectifying ourselves in the most blatant manner possible for the masculine gaze, we’re laying claim to our female power. I suspect a lot of this loses track of the point that all actions are performed within a context.

    Me performing a striptease for my partner in private would be an empowering activity, because in the context of my being a middle-aged, fat, non-standard looking woman, I would be asserting and celebrating my desirability (as per the experience of my partner) in counter to the popular notion that being desirable is something reserved to the young, the slender, and the conventionally beautiful. Me (as a middle-aged, fat woman) performing a striptease in a bar for money would not be empowering, because I strongly suspect I’d either be laughed off the stage, or booed off – instead of challenging the norms of the beauty myth, the experience would instead become a strong reinforcement of the dominant paradigm. The context of an action (who is performing it, where and when) determines a lot about the nature of the action.

    I propose the following basic test for “is this empowering for women?”: if the action in question would be equally (un)popular when performed by an old, fat, black woman as it is when it’s performed by a young, thin, white one, then it’s probably empowering for women.

  8. Chris

    Mindy @ 6 – there are real women gridiron leagues in the US, but they are not professional. There’s perhaps more financial reward potential for those in the LFL though. A very small number of women have played in normal college/pro games.

  9. Aqua, of the Questioners

    Thanks for that link, Mindy. There’s certainly plenty to get into a feminist rage about, completely apart from what they’re (not) wearing. They should be paid, they should have proper safety gear and insurance, they should be treated as footballers and not strippers. Because it doesn’t sound like any of these women are doing this because they want to be strippers, but because they want to play football.

    (As for the comment about how women can’t play a men’s sport without being required to be sexually titilating, see the long-running debate about the beach volleyball uniform. )

  10. Ipomen Scarlet

    AMM, you wrote:
    “By that logic, suttee is feminist, too, since many of the women did (and do) it voluntarily (for some interpretation of the word “voluntarily.”)”

    I read that and groaned! A real case of – wish I’d thought of that (head slap)

    There was a conference a few of days ago at which I was having a stand-up argument with a woman who was saying that religious women who indulge in rituals that are clearly misogynistic in origin can nevertheless re-imagine such rituals as feminists because… they choose to and who are we to say otherwise.

    The best thing I could come up with: that some women choose to stay in violent relationships. What’s to stop someone re-imagining getting the crap beaten out of her as a feminist ritual? Who are we to say otherwise?

    But your analogy absolutely craps all over mine and I so wish I’d read it a few days ago! I’m definitely saving it for future stoushes.

  11. Helen

    If you haven’t clicked on Mindy’s link @6, please do – it’s an excellent article containing actual facts and information! So refreshing! And the facts don’t bode well for Lingerie Football. Like not getting paid. And a complete disregard for health and safety.

    You have to wonder how the participants end up, since the “sport”originated in the US where they don’t even have medicare.

  12. orlando

    That is a great article. Now I feel really crappy for assuming they were being paid. Hey, modern Western world? When your choice is between getting to do the thing you want to do, but only if you do it in your knickers, and not getting to do that thing at all? Doesn’t count as a choice.

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