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16 responses to “Today in rape culture: nobody wanted to think it of funny old Jimmy”

  1. Feminist Avatar

    I’d guess that one of the reasons that this never raised any red flags in the 1970s was that many girls in remand homes were there for ‘sexual promiscuity’ (was that illegal you may ask- no, it wasn’t), so that they were seen as ‘culpable’ in sexual assaults because they ‘seduced’ older men. I also wonder whether in that first story, he meant that they would have arrested him for ‘aiding an offender’, rather than sexual assault/rape, especially as the age of consent in the UK is 16, so teenagers on remand can legally be sexually active (which is not in any way to diminish the fact he sexually exploited a vulnerable young woman). So, the ‘general public’ would have read this as a funny story about aiding and abetting with a bit of sexual gratification for naughty Jimmy, whilst ignoring the clear exploitation of the young women involved.

  2. Megpie71

    I think the thing which annoys me most about it is that there’s all this “but what about the charity work he did, what about all the good things he did?” and all I can think is… well, Theodore Bundy worked a rape crisis line, and was apparently really, really helpful there, too. There are lots of stories of rapists who were described by their families as having been really keen on chivalry and taking care of women, helping people out.

    Didn’t stop a single damn one of them from doing whatever they thought they were entitled to do to other women.

    Maybe the good deeds are meant to buy off the public, or maybe the good deeds are meant to buy off their conscience, or maybe the good deeds are even meant to buy off whatever their conception of deity is. But no matter how many good deeds they do, they can’t erase the evil they’ve done.

  3. MrRabbit

    Regarding the WWII photo, thanks for the link. I think it’s important to note the truth about the photo. Disappointing but predictable comments about the “kiss” being no big deal and how it doesn’t really matter what’s happening in the photo. But the record should definitely be corrected: we are witnessing a crime.

    I have no idea who Savile is, not surprised a lot of people will be excusing his behaviour. We all know it, it’s the rape culture.

  4. angharad

    You know I can half understand why people might have trouble believing it, because as a child in England in the 70′s and 80′s he was kind of like Santa Claus. It’s a real shock. But there’s a difference between struggling to reconcile two images of a person and not believing the victims. I think it must come down to the good old ‘if a child tells me something that conflicts with my idea of reality then they must be making it up’. With ‘woman’ inserted for ‘child’ as often as not.

  5. orlando

    There has to be a book or a documentary in all the “in plain view” biographical and autobiographical reporting of famous people assaulting others, told as amusing anecdote. I remember reading Boganette’s report of stumbling across a rape confession in a heavy-metal star’s autobiography. In Let’s Get Lost a friend of Chet Baker’s tells a story about how Baker raped his (the anecdote teller’s) girlfriend at a party, and chuckles about it. I saw a TV biog of Humphrey Bogart in which a guy talked about Bogart turning up late to dinner with scratches on his face saying “Sorry, I had to drop Mayo [his wife at the time] to emergency, she has a broken jaw”. Those are just the ones I can think of right now.

  6. angharad

    @Tigtog – I get the impression those laughing onlookers are going ‘wow, he just grabbed her and kissed her – what a lad!’

    And I was kind of thinking Mr Squiggle, but Bert is probably a more realistic analogy.

  7. Louise

    Yeah, can’t say I’m all that surprised to see the WWII photo turns out to be an assault. The body language sort of suggests it. (Not reliable, I know, but the way he’s holding her and her stiffness – it doesn’t look good.)

  8. Arcadia

    Maybe the good deeds are meant to buy off the public, or maybe the good deeds are meant to buy off their conscience, or maybe the good deeds are even meant to buy off whatever their conception of deity is.

    Or maybe it’s none of those. Perhaps it was to cultivate a persona that would lead people to not want to accuse/charge/convict him for his crimes.

    My overwhelming feeling over this story is, well, that’s just rape culture isn’t it? Pretty much everyone not wanting to rock the boat, it’s easier to just pretend it didn’t happen. Accusations, charges, trials, imprisonment, it’s just awful, better to sweep the whole thing under the rug, and pretend that the crime itself wasn’t that bad.

  9. Feminist Avatar

    While some rapists are clearly manipulative, I suspect that many are just over-privileged and don’t question their ‘right’ to a woman’s body, so don’t see themselves as ‘bad’ people. So, they do charity because they believe in it or because they are rich and it’s expected, and when opportunities arise to exploit women, they take them, and it’s not necessarily more complicated than that. In Jimmy Savile’s case, I suspect that doing charity and things like that goes hand in hand with being a major radio and tv star, as does being offered the opportunity to have sex with girls and young women. He may even have justified it to himself with the idea that ‘groupies’ wanted to have sex with him, so what harm was it. This is probably the same reason that many people looked the over way; they probably assumed consent, even if the people involved were ‘technically’ too young, as it was part of the culture of celebrity.

    I also think this is because of the culture around sex at the time, where on the one hand, we were very concerned about teenage sex, attempting to control ‘good girls’ and locking away ‘bad girls’ (think Magdalen Asylums in Ireland), but underpinning this is both an expectation and anxiety that teenage girls are sexual beings and their sexuality needed controlled (or if you were on the left/ free love/ hippy movements, young women should get to sexually experiment). And, we directed all that sexual energy into marriage, so that in the UK, 90% of women married between the ages of 17 and 25 – and that’s not 90% of women who married, but 90% of all women. So, we have this culture of ‘early’ sexualisation and marriage, that informed our expectations for teenage sex, that allowed men who wanted to have sex with young girls not to look ‘odd’ or ‘creepy’, but much like everybody else.

  10. Tom

    Jimmy Savile was a British national institution. It’s not quite on the level of Americans finding our Mister Rogers was a kiddy-fiddler, but that far off. In fact in some ways it’s worse because not only was he an icon of children’s TV but also of popular music, being there at both the start and the end of Top of the Pops, so now the entire twentieth century musical heritage of Britain is in some way tainted. You can throw Ed Sullivan or Dick Clark being a paedo into the transatlantic comparison as well if you want to realise how big a thing this is.

  11. Tom

    The part I find the most sinister is that there are BBC programmes and publications going waaay back that do jokes about him being a child molestor; at the time we all saw it as “oh, these alternative comedians think they’re being clever and shocking by saying this guy on the kids’ show must be a paedo”, except it wasn’t just alternative comedians doing it. There was a tie-in book for a BBC show which started with a faux introduction supposedly by Jimmy Savile which was just all his catchphrases strung end to end, except it ended with a non sequiturish “the lovely coldness of the young flesh, you see…” It seems evident that it was something of an open secret at the Beeb.

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