UPDATE: It has been shown that there is no evidence that TheAmazingAtheist actually wrote these words, and Kincaid has responded to these allegations. The tumblr from which this quote was sourced has been deleted. Please see below.
Count yourself lucky if you’ve never heard of somewhat popular video-blogger TheAmazingAtheist aka TJ Kincaid. He’s one of the subset of atheists who want certain other atheists to “stop being divisive” via pointing out the injustices of the kyriarchal status quo ongoing within the atheist “movement”. He has ever so many rational and deeply intellectual opinions about life, the universe and everything. I just saw a link on Manboobz to a tumblr
quoting directlyattributing this quote to Amazeman’s (self-published) e-book Scumbag: Musings of a Subhuman (2007);
[NOTE: Image macro showing TAA with disputed quote has been removed since this appears to be a manufactured quote, and the tumblr where it was posted has now been deleted. I’m leaving the quote itself to lend context to the rest of the post and comments.]
Nature already has an age of consent. That age is approximately 12-13, otherwise known as the onset of puberty. We don’t need Christian morals to set an arbitrary age on when a sexually mature human female can mate legally. We already have clear parameters on sexually [sic] maturity as established by the law of evolution, and acting within those parameters does not under any reasonable definition constitute “rape”. Moreover, because this irrational moral imperialism is almostly solely applied against males who pursue relationships with younger females, I do believe the change of age-of-consent laws should be a critical area of focus for Men’s Rights Activists.
So sure, 2007 is ancient stuff in internet years, but it’s the first time I’ve seen it, and Kincaid is back on the atheosphere’s radar due to other stuff going on which is not directly relevant to this quote, so I’m choosing to highlight this particular example of
his scumbaggery because he doesn’t seem to have changed these opinions since 2007 because it’s not an uncommon argument and deserves to be scorned.
I’m struggling to get past
histhese misconceptions about puberty and physical sexual maturity to count the other errors in that paragraph. The *onset* of puberty is the *beginning* of the bodily changes associated with physical sexual maturity rather than the sign of the *completion* of the bodily changes associated with physical sexual maturity. Women need more physiological changes to occur than just having begun the menstrual cycle for their bodies to be ready to safely complete a pregnancy, so even if we were to accept his argument that “Nature already has an age of consent” he’s looking at the wrong age. Heit’s also losing me on the idea that the current legal age of sexual consent has anything to do with Christian morals in particular. Simply on a pragmatic social stability level society has an interest in attempting to minimise the number of babies born to girls who are have not yet acquired the life skills necessary to either control their fertility reliably or be financially secure parents (thus aiming for fewer households with children requiring state aid), entirely aside from the many, many other ethical considerations that don’t need “Christian morals” for their foundation which I’m sure you all can think of.
Don’t get me started on the “law of evolution” crap.
UPDATE: PZ Myers also posted on this macro over at Pharyngula, and the Horde has been unable to find a verified cite. I’ve also woken up to find a handful of drive-by comments here informing me that they can’t find it either. As the rationalwiki entry on Kincaid notes though,
Kincaid made a post on a Marilyn Manson fanforum in his pre-Youtube days in which he advocated a lowering of the age of consent to “12 or 13” and admitted to having had “extreme pedophilic fantasies.” In fact, he has admitted to having “dated” a 14 year old girl when he was 23.
The exact words in the macro above, in particular the errors of fact, cannot be shown at this time to belong to Kincaid. The attitude towards sex with pubescent children though is consistent with his words expressed in the past.
FURTHER UPDATE: Kincaid has addressed this allegation on his tumblr:
Somebody said that you think that age of consent should be 13 and tau you were in a intimate relationship with a 14 year old when you were 23
Asked by Anonymous
Wow. The rumor mill just keeps on churning.
The age of consent thing is based on a post I made on an internet forum when I was like 20. And it was actually a pretty popular sentiment on the boards at that time. Hell, it was a popular sentiment on the internet in general at that time. It was also, I’m sad to say, an opinion that my father held.
After experiencing another decade on planet earth, I realize how horribly misguided that opinion was and is. I think that maybe it’s not so horrible for kids that age to begin sexual exploration with one another, but it’s definitely wrong for an adult to engage is sex with someone that young and inexperienced.
As for this nonsense about me dating a 14-year-old when I was 23, I was actually mocking a friend of mine who was over 30 and was macking on some 16-year-old girl. The sad fact is that when I was 23, I was single and pussyless. And I was too timid and frightened to even approach a girl sexually, let alone one who could wind me up in prison.