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Beppie has recently finished her PhD in English Literature, and hopes to do a lot more blogging now that she’s no longer officially a student. In her spare time, Beppie enjoys Doctor Who, photography, writing, and small doses of trashy sci-fi/fantasy.

27 responses to “Outland Open Thread: Episodes 1 and 2”

  1. tigtog

    I wondered about how Rae got up those stairs last week too!

  2. tigtog

    Well, they sorta covered most of your caveats about Rae, didn’t they? “The jackpot” indeed.

    I also loved that there was a SPOILER

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    *whole mob of women scifi fans in the lesbian separatist offshoot group.

  3. Napalmnacey

    Hah! They had me at “Swancon”. It might take a long time to get here, but the parties are AWESOME. And I’m there. How many parties do you get to watch a sexy chick dressed up as Leela dance with K-9 to 90s house music? Yeaaaaaaah, boi.

  4. Vera

    It was lovely to watch all those Australian SF in jokes.

    I think that the Rae/stairs thing in the first ep was a homage to the Dalek issue. My thoughts went ‘How did Rae get up the — LOLperfectjoke!’

    Her flat in ep 2 is all big lifts, wide corridors and open plan space. Lovely to film in, I’m sure.

    Christine Anu rocks.

  5. Anna Winter

    What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.

  6. tigtog

    Anna, that was hands-down my favourite line!

  7. mimbles

    I identified way too strongly with the “do you want tea or coffee?” rant! #indecisiveMIL

    Vera, I reckon you might be right about the Rae and stairs thing. :-)

  8. Chally

    Yeah, I had the same thought as Vera.

  9. I am a friend of the writer John Richards and can confirm that Rae’s appearance at the top of the stairs was indeed a deliberate callback to the Dalek joke.

  10. tigtog

    Marvellous to know, stephbg – that’s certainly what mr tog and I decided must be the case after last night’s episode. Thanks for dropping by!

  11. Grant

    I’m very interested to know how other viewers find the fact that an able-bodied actor has been cast in a disabled role. It’s hard enough for disabled actors to convince casting directors, producers, etc, to cast them in roles as it is – it’s kind of a kick in the face when actual disabled characters don’t go to them either.

  12. tigtog

    Grant, its something I noticed, but it’s also something I’ve seen time and time again. It’s business as usual, sadly.

    It’s also worth noting that for people who aren’t into the Australian alternative comedy scene, the cast is basically entirely unknown. Anu is by far the most famous name on the show. This probably also featured into her casting.

  13. orlando

    Points to the actor playing Max, I find I’ve already forgotten to see him as the very different character he played in Laid. The bit where Rae talked to him about his inhibitions was sweet. Rae’s relationship with her ex felt very real (yes, Vera, what a sensational flat). I found by the end of ep 2 I was laughing really hard. Wish I was in a position to get all the in jokes.

  14. Rayedish

    I saw the first episode and really enjoyed it. I’m looking forward to catching up on the second via iView.

  15. Mindy

    Watched both episodes on i-view today. Will be watching them again with MyNigel because I think he will like the humour. I think the Max character is much nicer than his character in Laid as the useless boyfriend.

    I really like Christine Anu’s character, but I do get Grant’s point (and @stellayoung’s) that it wouldn’t have been difficult to get a good, wheelchair using, actress for the part.

  16. tigtog

    Max aka Toby Truslove is a performer to watch. I saw him a few years ago in Beaconsfield The Musical, and he was very different from either character in that as well.

  17. Pirra

    So the ep in Rae’s apartment is only ep2? Excellent, I have only missed the first.

    I’m still getting names of characters straight in my mind though.

    I almost spat my tea at the “You never forget your first rugby team” line. Made me snicker so. Add me to the list of relating to the coffee / tea rant.

    I think Anu plays Rae very well, but yes, I too get the point about an able bodied actor being cast in a wheel chair using role. (I really like that term Mindy, I will be using it from now on.)

  18. Feminist Avatar

    I thought the first episode was a bit flat mainly because I thought the scifi jokes were all a bit obvious and played out and the chemistry between the cast felt a bit off, although I did like the ‘how did she get up the stairs joke’, which I read as a Dalek reference. But, I really loved episode 2. I liked the way that they dealt with issues around gender and disability in a really explicit, but humerous way. And the way that they explored issues of consent in multiple contexts (not leaving, touching, looking at the picture, taking Max’s picture, posting an online profile), and in most cases emphasising that this was not ok through the actor’s reactions (and apart from the nude picture, without giving it happy endings to make it ‘alright’). But my favourite joke was the over the confusion between coming dressed as the bionic woman and the six million dollar man: ‘Really? How embarrassing.’

  19. I’ve finally caught up with the first two episodes. I thought they didn’t fully address the fact that Rae is the only woman in the group, in fact I thought it was a bit of a lampshade effort. It’s possible it will get better in later episodes, we’ll see.

    I did very much like the unicorns in Rae’s episode, reference both to her membership of the wild unicorn herd (geek/fan of colour) and seemingly a Blade Runner reference that didn’t get followed up unless I missed something. And Simone’s things mirroring Sarah Jane Smith’s (which I wouldn’t have noticed without Tansy Roberts’ help).

    I’m wondering about the way Max’s flat is all blue and Rae’s flat (and her accessories) is so red, and I’ll be watching future episodes to see where that might go.

  20. Lauredhel

    I think the issue of Rae being the only woman is alluded to – this was her “team” when people chose sides in the split, and all of the people on the other “team” were women. Rae expresses a bit of dismay at this when she realises.

  21. That’s what I meant by lampshade effort (caution: TV Tropes links): the writers noticed that they’d created a core cast of four men and one woman, and then made up an explanation for why: “all the other lesbian SF fans are in the other group”. That’s not IMHO a good reason for yet another smurf show.

    It reeks to me of “well, we can think of lots of sweet bumbling gay man jokes, sexually adventurous gay man jokes, flamboyant gay man jokes, and technosavvy nerd gay man jokes, but we’re not going to have enough lesbian jokes — unless we make her black and put her in a wheelchair! That’ll get us enough lesbian jokes!”

    Given this is a feminist space, I’m really interested if anyone can explain to me why “all the other lesbian SF fans are in the other group” satisfies those of you (who are satisfied by it) who’re otherwise bothered by the fact that the core cast is four men and a woman. Because, obviously, it’s not remotely satisfying to me and I’m trying to understand where the difference comes from.

  22. Mindy

    AotQ – I hadn’t given it a thought, beyond wishing that we could have the lesbian version to. Time to do some musing on that, thank you for pointing it out.

  23. Lauredhel

    Aqua: Like you, I’m waiting to see how it pans out. Pilots are notoriously awful, and sophomore episodes often slump – so mostly I’m thrilled that I already like it, and that I’m getting pretty solidly attached to at least two of the characters (Rae and Max, with a bit of love for Andy (“That’s a wonderful use of chiaroscuro!”) We have gone from a male-heavy first episode, to a Rae-and-Simone centric second episode with three lesbians on screen and a fair few lesbian jokes. I don’t know where it’s going from here. But I love love LOVE that Rae is fierce and cranky and intensely competent, and I fistpumped at that laser-glare-of-death look she gave when someone touched her wheelchair and tried to move her.

  24. Mindy

    I was wondering if they do each group member in turn – Andy’s turn next – will there be as much of Rae and I would really like to see more of Simone too. I think the characters have a lot to offer but it would be disappointing if all we get of Rae is occassional sizzling one liners.

  25. tigtog

    Given who they’ve cast as Simone (Roz Hammond, last widely seen in The Librarians), I very much doubt that we’ve seen the last of her.

  26. tigtog

    I hear you on the Smurfette thing as a problem, it would have been very nice if perhaps the tech-expert guy had been a geekgirl instead. However, they’re not treating Rae as a Smurfette in my eyes. She really does not seem to be just the token girl.

    It reeks to me of “well, we can think of lots of sweet bumbling gay man jokes, sexually adventurous gay man jokes, flamboyant gay man jokes, and technosavvy nerd gay man jokes, but we’re not going to have enough lesbian jokes — unless we make her black and put her in a wheelchair! That’ll get us enough lesbian jokes!”

    Can’t agree. I’m sure that they always meant the show to have both gay and lesbian characters and in-jokes. The non-nerdy, non-gaygaygay jokes in the show are about navigating relationships – of course one of the characters would have to be coping with a break-up, and the fact that they’ve made it Rae means that the episodes with exes interactions are all about women, which is a very pleasant change from what we normally see.

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