Debate watch: Biden/Palin

Later this morning I’m heading to Amanda‘s for a wonkfest (it’s sad to hoot and make moose-calls at the screen on one’s own).

Like many of you, I suspect, the peculiar interview moments of the last few weeks have left my shadenfreudish side hoping for a Palinwreck. Will we get one or not?

ETA: Brooklynite explains why any lack of a Palinwreck won’t really matter.

Categories: arts & entertainment, media, Politics

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  1. Please for comedy updates? Locked in office cannot watch. Feel there is much potential for hilarity. Man, she really got me with her “Average Joe Sixpack” stuff the other day.

  2. Yeah Joe Six Pack really got to me too …

  3. I don’t think we’ll be able to update live. The config of my small rented flat a la Turnbull does not lend to it. ;-(

  4. No, was just a silly request really. Just some mockery afterwards would be ok. 🙂

  5. I’ll be live-tweeting. See this post for details. Comments are welcomed.

  6. In the Obama-McCain debate, the CNN worm showed Dems, Repubs, and Undecideds.

    In the Palin-Biden debate, the worm is going to show Penis-Americans and Vagina-Americans.

  7. But I don’t want to be a Vagina-American.

  8. Oh the twitter thing is so much fun. I wish I ruled the office. Then we would go to the pub and watch the debate live and heckle…with beer and snackfoods. Like the Melbourne Cup but actually interesting and important.

  9. I will happily imagine FP’s dream office.


    Go, Joey!!!!!!

  11. Joey done good.
    I got three rows on my bingo card! (thoughtfully provided by Amanda). Very nearly got the full media blackout, but she failed to mention Drilling, 9/11 or President Kazari at all. Boo.
    Did the folksy stuff make all your teeth itch as much as it did mine? I splorfed when she said “Say it ain’t so, Joe” – sheesh.

  12. Biden was particularly strong when he spoke about being a single parent after his wife and daughter died. I was astonished when Palin just steamrolled ahead with her talking points after this, without any acknowledgement of what he had said.
    TRANSCRIPT: Look, I understand what it’s like to be a single parent. When my wife and daughter died and my two sons were gravely injured, I understand what it’s like as a parent to wonder what it’s like if your kid’s going to make it.
    I understand what it’s like to sit around the kitchen table with a father who says, “I’ve got to leave, champ, because there’s no jobs here. I got to head down to Wilmington. And when we get enough money, honey, we’ll bring you down.”
    I understand what it’s like. I’m much better off than almost all Americans now. I get a good salary with the United States Senate. I live in a beautiful house that’s my total investment that I have. So I — I am much better off now.
    But the notion that somehow, because I’m a man, I don’t know what it’s like to raise two kids alone, I don’t know what it’s like to have a child you’re not sure is going to — is going to make it — I understand.
    I understand, as well as, with all due respect, the governor or anybody else, what it’s like for those people sitting around that kitchen table. And guess what? They’re looking for help. They’re looking for help. They’re not looking for more of the same.

  13. Absolutely, tigtog. His best moment for true. I’m not too familiar with Biden, so, I was blindsided. Wasn’t expecting that at all.
    Things Palin should not have said:
    “I may not answer the questions.” To be fair, with that remark, the debate became a great example of her following through on her word.
    “I’ve only been in national politics for five weeks.” Heh heh heh. And they’ve been hammering that “experience thing so hard.
    “Unfortunately” gay rights may lead to same sex marriage. Oh, fuck you.
    “…raping the outer continental shelf.” Oh, FUCK. YOU.
    “…respect for women’s rights…” Would be great if it weren’t a damn lie, you anti-choice rape-culture-supporting colluder.
    “blah blah never again blah blah Holocaust.” Twice Godwinned.
    “We’re not killing civilians! We’re fighting terrorists!” >.<
    “I made a lame joke and you made a lame joke.” That was the most inane line of the night, and where I’m from we consider that ableist and hateful.
    “I’m a Washington outsider and I don’t know how you guys operate!” Oy vey. Who coached her that this is a good talking point? Fire them.
    “back in the day when we were free.” Please define “back in the day” so we know how you’re defining “we,” Governor.

  14. And how wonderful was Biden’s skewering of the whole “Maverick” claim?

    Biden: Can I respond to that? Look, let’s talk about the maverick John McCain is. And again I love him, he’s been a maverick on some issues but he’s been no maverick on things that a matter people’s lives. He voted four out of five times for George Bush’s budget which put us half a trillion in debt this year and over three trillion in debt since he got there. He has not been a maverick in providing healthcare for people. He voted against including another 3.6 million children in coverage of an existing health care plan in the United States Senate. He’s not been a maverick when it comes to education. He has not supported tax cuts and significant changes for people being able to send their kids to college, he’s not been a maverick on the war, not been a maverick on virtually anything that generally affects the things people really talk about around the kitchen table. Can we get mom’s MRI? Can we send Mary back to school next semester. We can’t make it. How will we heat the house this winter? He even voted against what they call LIHEAP, for assistance for people with oil prices going through the roof in the winter. So a maverick he is not, on the important critical issues that affect people at the kitchen table.

    (emphasis added)

  15. “I’m a Washington outsider and I don’t know how you guys operate!”
    I guess that’s aiming for people like my Gramma who think the whole lot of them are corrupt, self interested, and sit around in their greasy suits twiddling their moustaches figuring out ways to scam more money from the public. The idea of a complete outsider would be favourable from that midset.

  16. That was moving when I spoke about his kids, but I don’t think it was all about what happened in 1072 (when his wife and child died, and other two kids were injured in a crash) His son is off to Iraq this week. So I think it as much if not more, that fact.

  17. When HE spoke about his kids. Not when I did it.

  18. I just watched most of the debate then, and I have to say that Palin didn’t suck. She sounded like a one trick pony with the energy stuff, but someone obviously drilled her pretty well on foreign policy. Biden was just lovely though and I felt that he had the upper hand all the way through.
    On the mention of Biden losing his wife and daughter and wondering if his son would make it, I thought that Palin probably did what many conservative women do when men, especially older sorta elder statesmen kinda guys, get teary – she ignored it so as not to draw attention to it. Came across as a bit sudden for me, but I think a lot of people probably would have thought she did the right (womanly) thing.

  19. Mindy, I can see the possibility that that could have been her auto-response. It still looked as if she just couldn’t wait to get onto her next can of talking points, and I think she timed her next statement wrong, while the audience was still silently engaged with Biden. It struck a false note.

  20. American commentary is, as anticipated, calling the debate a success for Palin, presumably because she didn’t actively mess up. We’ll see.

  21. It was a success for her, but she didn’t “win”.
    In terms of fulfilling campaign agendas, it was a win-win for both teams – Biden showed that he was focussed and informed but also warm. Palin showed that she could recall a mass of detail and present it to the camera, even if she simply stuck to her scripts (and diverted back to them) rather than answering questions for which she was unprepared. She wasn’t an embarrassment.
    Biden however had the best moments, and particularly the two sections that will be replayed as strengths for the campaign – the family recount where he teared up, and the not-a-maverick segment. Palin had a few moments made for attack ads, in contrast – the “ramp it up” cheerleading regarding education, and the “lower taxes and build infrastructure” response to economic woes – how exactly do you build infrastructure with lower revenues?
    Amanda and I were both rather struck by the contrast at the end of the debate: Palin and Biden shook hands courteously, and their families mingled in a friendly fashion (Palin’s dad looked like he rather liked Biden), compared to McCain’s contemptuous cold-shoulder for Obama.


    ETA: sorry, forgot the description. This is the new ad from the Obama/Biden campaign, re the healthcare platforms of both parties, using soundbites from the VP debate. You tell em, Joe!

  23. Posted this over at LP earlier:
    Sarah Palin Debate Flow Chart

    image from addenak at Daily Kos

  24. Tig, that’s got me cackling like hen!
    It irked me that although she was SO obviously “canned response” woman, I found myself responding to her charisma whilst watching the debate. Even with the stupidity and folksy “down home” affectations that made my teeth itch.

  25. Ha, yes, I saw that flowchart earlier too. A wonderful example of NON-SEXIST Palin humour! 😀

  26. About the Palin reaction to Biden’s chokery uppery.
    First thing. On Olbermann, KO was talking to Rachel Maddow (LOVE HER) about it and he said if Palin had done the same thing, that would be all anyone would talk about in the post-debate discussion. And Maddow, BLESS HER, did point out that the rules are different for women and “we have not progressed as a culture” yet where a woman can do that and not have it be a weakness or otherwise negative thing. See: Hillary. So I was just glad someone did mention that, although it doesn’t at all take away from the moment for Biden.
    Second, my interpretation of her non-response was (and still is after rewatching many times) that it was a total result of her absolutely not being able or willing to deviate one bit from her prepared remarks. If it ain’t on the flow chart, she wasn’t letting it pass her lips.
    One thing I saw tonight while noodling around YouTube was the moment on C-Span which had split screens for most/all of the debate. During Biden’s whole comments, Palin is looking down at her notes with this smile plastered across her face and it does not budge one bit, not even when he gets to the pause/choke part. And then when he stops speaking, she just looks up and barrels on with what she was going to say anyway. Yes, it does look bad. But its enough I think to say it looks back b/c it shows she was totally out of her depth and was clinging to her talking points for dear life and was incapable of deviating from them for any kind of spontaneous moment. From a political POV, especially bad if you are building your entire brand based on kitchen table empathy.

  27. Bernice Balconey has a cracker of a post up analysing some really sharp discourse about the debate from the Letterman show, of all places.

  28. SNL really pegged both of them on their schtick – Biden done good, but he did go a little overboard with the “I love McCain, BUT…” stuff, and Palin’s meandering sentence construction was caught beautifully.

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