ObTrollWrangling: On Deserving New Chances

Only on certain conditions.

Note to readers: this is essentially all rather meta, and likely to be of interest only to those who already know what’s going on. Feel free to ignore.

screencap of on-blog exchangeThe comments transcribed below and screencapped at right have now been removed from the thread because they are not on-topic. This is, however, as many of you reading know, an ongoing problem with this one individual engaging in cyberstalking behaviour.

The Doctor

picture of a sockpuppet holding another sockpuppet
From troll-wrangling

[Moderator note: this commentor
is morphing their identity here.]

Both tragic and disgusting but not unexpected

The end result, once US forces leave, will be another Taliban-esque fundimentalist Islamic regime – it will be miserable to be an Iraqi woman even more than it is now – ditto to be a Kurd or a Sunni

The Ethiopean intervention in Somalia looks like coming to an even more dreadful end – the previous Islamic regime was *relatively* moderate – whatever replaces the Ethiopeans will be much more hardline


The Doctor

picture of a sockpuppet holding another sockpuppet
From troll-wrangling

[Moderator note: this commentor
is morphing their identity here.]

Just delete the comment about Iraq if you feel you have too – personally i feel you should give me the opportunity to comment again with all sins forgiven, particularly given my “crimes” have been exposed elsewhere online and as such I have no reason to continue said behaviour – which only ever happened because i was lonely and sympathy and attention eased that lonliness – that’s the only reason its ever happened

I don’t expect this to be published but i do expect you to take notice of it – everyone deserves another chance even the worst of us


tigtog

In the past you have used the approval of your comments here using a female avatar to gain acceptance at other feminist blogs.

If you want to comment here under a new ID as a fresh start pick a new non-female name, a new non-female gravatar, and email us to let us know what name you will be using.

Otherwise any comments from you that continue to have your “tells” will get the sockpuppet graphic added to them so that other feminist blogs know what you are currently disguising yourself as.

 

Lauredhel then raised this point:

You’ve said that you stopped before, Paul. Yet, your most recent harassing activity has been within the past week. For all I know, within the past day. There is absolutely no reason anyone should believe you. Not now, and not for a long, long time.

I have now received an undertaking that this person will no longer attempt to post here using a female avatar or name that he could then use to bolster credibility as a pseudonym elsewhere. Under those conditions, I am willing to publish his comments that otherwise abide by our comments policy.

So, we shall see.

ADDENDUM 2010/04/14 (taken from a comment onthread): a point of clarification for any lurkers: the problem with Paul’s activities is not simply that he has switched genders in his online personas that he uses to contact other feminist bloggers offline. Genderqueering or altering gender presentation per se is totally acceptable on this blog or any other forum I moderate. Deconstruction/fluidifying of culturally acquired norms is a good thing.

The problem with Paul’s activities is him presenting that persona as having had fictional abuse problems that he knows are common shared histories amongst the group of women he is contacting, and asking those people for advice as if he is a real life troubled young woman. Anyone who doesn’t see that this is creepy as fuck needs to spend a great deal of thinking time on the matter.

UPDATE 2011-08-13 – a further post with more information about this particular morphing nuisance. https://hoydenabouttown.com/2011/08/13/repostcrosspost-because-this-psa-is-still-needed-can-i-talk-to-you-troll/



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9 replies

  1. Yet, your most recent harassing activity has been within the past week. For all I know, within the past day.

    Update: Definitely within the last day. That was a bit of a fuckup picking a Hoyden contributor as a target for one of today’s ”Can I talk to you?” emailbait attempts, wasn’t it?

  2. Since you were deleting most of my posts because of your (Lauredhel) vendetta against me, it doesnt really make much of a difference – even though i kept my word and changed to a non-female avatar and non-female handle on here as asked
    As i said i only pretend to have stuff becase im lonely and sympathy and attention eases that lonliness – whenever I try to stop the lonliness builds up again and i start up again
    Ive been doing it since i was being bullied in high school – long before anyone had heard about Lauredhel and Tigtog
    Lauredhel isn’t all that smart by the way – she thought my disability was fake even after i posted photographic proof to my Wikipedia page – i also think she cant really talk about pain and suffering as i somehow doubt she almost hemmoraged to death after a doctor insisted on conducting an adenoids operation despite a sore throat – which happened to me at the Mercy Hospital in 1986
    Lauredhel I propose this:
    1) take me off perma-mod – allow me to interact properly with the commentators properly
    2) call off your attack dogs – I’m not a troll just a lonely and desperate person – thats always been the truth since i started this back in high school
    3) be more reasonable like tigtog – your arrogant and abrasive natures blinds you to a lot – for example being unable to tell truth from fiction when it came to my disability

    • If Lauredhel’s not that smart about your claims to disability then neither am I – the photos on that Wikipedia page could be of anybody, and even if you are truly disabled your behaviour still constitutes unacceptable harassment of others. Many of the women you have contacted with fraudulent stories of being a young girl suffering from abuse due to gender nonconformity and other such stories are people who are going to be PTSD-triggered by the relation of such experiences from a supposedly-suffering stranger, and you have been hanging around on feminist blogs dealing with abuse issues for long enough to realise this. How dare you try and present yourself as the victim here?
      I promised that I, and only I, would publish your comments if you abided by the conditions outlined in the post. I only moderate my own threads. No other author on HaT was obliged to publish your comments on their threads due to that promise of mine. I also made no demands that you use your supposed real name – you chose that yourself.
      As to loneliness issues, you have been repeatedly, in multiple interactions with multiple bloggers, pointed towards professional help for these and you don’t take that advice. Why not? Why do you want sympathy and attention for fake problems when you could be getting sympathy and attention for your alleged real problems?
      I also don’t appreciate you trying to wedge me and my co-blogger on this issue. I know her and I don’t know you. I don’t even know if you are just one person who is really named Paul or a group of vexatious emotional parasites playing silly buggers with someone else’s identity. Either way, you blew your new chance at commenting here. You are beyond sin-binned now. Goodbye.

      • Also, a point of clarification for any lurkers: the problem with Paul’s activities is not simply that he has switched genders in his online personas that he uses to contact other feminist bloggers offline. Genderqueering or altering gender presentation per se is totally acceptable on this blog or any other forum I moderate. Deconstruction/fluidifying of culturally acquired norms is a good thing.
        The problem with Paul’s activities is him presenting that persona as having had fictional abuse problems that he knows are common shared histories amongst the group of women he is contacting, and asking those people for advice as if he is a real life troubled young woman. Anyone who doesn’t see that this is creepy as fuck needs to spend a great deal of thinking time on the matter.
        For reference to anyone wondering if someone on their blog is actually this person: here is a collection of gravatars that have been used by the same commentor, or at least by people using the same MO, in the past few years for alternate personas online.

        http://picasaweb.google.com.au/lh/photo/K63Dh2Sc8Xq60rNsnFlh-Q

  3. Thanks for posting those images, tigtog.

  4. To clarify one point from here: Paul, I have never proclaimed you “not disabled”. I have said that you invent disabilities for some of your trolling attempts – since you’ve invented large numbers of disabilities and conditions, some of which can’t exist at the same time: that much is obvious.

  5. As someone else who has been targeted by this creepbag, good on you for completely banning him again. The assertion that the things he’s done over the past however many years were not creepy and wrong is beyond the pale. When reading his comment, there was no doubt in my mind that he would likely return to his old antics (or rather, his current antics) very soon.

  6. As someone else who was targeted by this individual, I’m pleased that you’re drawing attention to this behaviour. When I was approached, I had no way of knowing whether the sob story given me was true – and in fact, the story became more intricate so as to indicate the impossibility of *anyone* else (he was pretending to be a teenaged girl from South America, with little spoken English, at an Australian high school) helping: it was only me, in the whole world. This manipulation of people’s goodwill is utterly abominable. Paul, get professional help. There are people whose job it is to help you, unlike random strangers on the internet who may be triggered by your sob stories, or even – as in my case – feel significant anxiety wondering whether you had, in fact, been a real teen in real trouble.

  7. Yep, Wildly Parenthetical, it was the same sort of thing for me–except he pretended to be Cuban, if I remember correctly. There were no counselors, no kind relatives, no friends, lots of vaguely defined trauma. And yep, I started to worry about “her” as well…even as things became fishier (such as being contacted by “her” at hours when teenagers with strict parents in Australia should be asleep; I live in the eastern US so obviously we should have been on different schedules; though of course a middle-aged man can keep whatever schedule will allow him to be creepy on the Internet the best), “she” was crossing boundaries (I said I didn’t want to do GoogleChat, “she” did it anyway), and “she” was really, really bugging me.
    Paul, don’t complain about the “vendettas” people have against you when it’s your own damn fault for creating them.

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