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21 responses to “(Belated) Whodensday: Waters of Mars Spoiler and Discussion Post!”

  1. tigtog

    Oh, I am looking forward to catching the whole thing. Lindsay Duncan is one of my favourites, and I’m not spoiler-adverse, so I don’t mind knowing some of the secrets before I see it.

  2. shiny

    I really liked it too and I think the Martian villains were really well executed – just the right balance of realism and all out creepiness. Can’t wait for Christmas.

    Also – bikes.

  3. SunlessNick

    I have a soft spot for the Ice Warriors, so I like that the Doctor’s mention of them constituted quite good press.

  4. lauredhel

    I don’t know I don’t know I don’t know. I mean, some of it was fun, and the Mars colony was well-realised. But I was left with feeling I’d just watched yet another Doctor Who special where they introduced a cool new female character, then killed her, just to move along the Doctor’s character development.

  5. The Amazing Kim

    I was getting tired of zombies, but after these comments I’m looking forward to the episode.

    (Considering you could set your watch by the fateful deaths of strong women, I’m not surprised this episode continues the theme.)

  6. DeusExMacintosh

    Adelaide’s death didn’t strike me as fridge-y, because it was a) at her own hand and b) a gesture of defiance to the “time lord victorious”. Yes, you’re a being so powerful that you can alter the laws of time effectively at a personal whim but matey, you can’t control a single human being with free will!

    I really liked the fact that the Doctor went free-range, but I thought he changed back too quickly at the end and was then panicked that he’d gone too far. Would have been better to end the story with him still compromised, to be reigned/guided back in during the last special where he moves to regeneration. After Pompeii and the ‘tough’ bluntness, I had expected the doctor to have a more stand-offish reaction as in “Well I gave you your life. If you want to throw it away, then more fool you.”

    Otherwise, ehhkcelent!!!

    On a personal note, I’m not sure I’m going to follow the series into the new regeneration. They’ve done such a great job with Tennant that I don’t see how the new series will stack up against it.

    I think I’m getting old.

    Oh, and his Hamlet is being released on DVD on the 4th of January. Just too late for the Xmas stockings unfortunately.

  7. Kirstente

    I loved it.

    The bit with the dalek was the least convincing part for me – both in why it didn’t kill her and why the inspired her to go to Mars.

    I also think the killing off of Adelaide was somewhat mitigated by the idea of her grand-daughter. But I’m not entirely sure.

  8. Susan

    I agree that the Dalek part doesn’t work once you have time to think about it.

    I really liked that it shows the writers know he’s in the wrong. I hope that means they know he was wrong to “save” Donna against her will, and that his actions then will come back to bite him on the bum!
    .-= Susan´s last blog ..Science heroine =-.

  9. Anna

    I really found most of this episode to be InfoDump after InfoDump, with some good scenes mixed in. I didn’t really enjoy it until Ten went “What the heck am I doing? I am the LAST of the TIME LORDS! I AM THE END OF TIME!” and went all around doing his saving people thing, except all “I’m evil, deal with it”. (Well, for certain definitions of evil.)

    I really liked Adelaide’s reaction to the “little people” comment, I thought it was spot on.

    Can we talk about what the closing trailer had in it?

  10. calyx

    *Loved* it. Been raving about it all week.

    BTW, there’s a 3 minute preview clip for Children In Need charity of the next ep The End of Time out (also fab), plus a couple of mini installments of the animated story Dreamland out as well, as of today.

  11. Ana

    Donna Donna Donna Donna Donna!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. Anna

    [If I can spell my own name right this time.]

    Donna’s gonna kick his furry white butt. And then yell at him. “Time Lord Victorious? What sort of arsehole name is that! Oi, Space Boy, I’m gonna kick you so hard you’ll feel it forever!”

    I have this crack!theory that Young Red-haired Companion is regenerated Time Lord Donna. Or something. I don’t know. But Donna! DONNA!!!!

  13. calyx

    Anna, I really hope that you are right about Donna kicking Ten’s butt. I really can’t see any way in which Donna might die that would reconcile me. She better be alive and reasonably happy (preferably with memories intact) at the end, that’s all I can say. No effin fridging.

    Bit apphrehensive about possible “fobwatches for everyone”, hafta say.

  14. QoT

    We finally got to see it here in NZ! (God I hate our TV broadcasters.)

    Regarding the Dalek thing, in my head the whole “it knew your death was fixed” was more of an instinctive thing – not the Dalek itself thinking “shit, can’t kill this little girl, time/space continuum etc etc” but more a kind of intuitive, gut-instinct, “leave this one alone” feeling.

    So gutted Adelaide died, and agree with lauredhel that it’s very OH COME ON RTD GIVE US ONE SURVIVING KICKASS WOMAN, but very very happy that it was basically a big middle finger to omnipotent!wanker!doctor.

    If Donna is in any way horribly mistreated in End of Time I am just going to have to quit the series. If she’s horribly mistreated AND the Doctor whinges about Rose bloody Tyler I’m quitting anything with RTD’s fingerprints on it forever.

  15. tigtog

    These pesky actors, they keep on getting offered roles that expand and extend their career, and thinking that taking those opportunities are more important than the Whoniverse! Or being veterans who just like to do the occasional guest role to keep their hand in, rather than committing to recurring episodes that would involve too much time away from the garden and the grandchildren, or from their own dream project. Some of them are really keen on a great death scene for their showreel, too! A writer can’t just park all of them in sinecures at Torchwood or UNIT for later narrative embellishments, that sort of repetition might be seen as unimaginative, and that’s not good for the writer’s career, and if someone who’s great at creating kickarse characters stops getting work, who’s to say that another writer will create characters that we enjoy as much?

    Doctor Who has always been about ordinary people finding the resolve within themselves to kick arse in extraordinary circumstances, and the thing about kicking arse (especially if one isn’t actually trained in special arsekicking skills) is that it is risky. Since the danger and death surrounding the Doctor is one of the recurring and overarching themes of 40 years worth of narrative, then if the kickarse people never never ever suffered or died or diminished as a consequence of taking extraordinary risks, I’m not sure that I’d find the Whoniverse as compelling as I do. Drama needs tragedy as well as triumph, and if characters we care about never ever die or diminish, then it’s just another action adventure show.

  16. Mindy

    Almost missed this last night, saw it just by chance on the TV guide. Does anyone know when the Xmas special is on?

  17. tigtog

    I expect that it will hit Oz screens around about the Australia Day weekend, going by last year.

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