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tigtog (aka Viv) is the founder of this blog. She lives in Sydney, Australia: husband, 2 kids, cat, house, garden, just enough wine-racks and (sigh) far too few bookshelves. You can read more about Viv on her bio page.

17 responses to “If more Hollywood producers read Bob the Angry Flower”

  1. Melissa McEwan

    We can always dream.

    LOL!!!
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  2. Mindy

    @ TT. Absolutely. Hey actually I have this great Ponzi surefire get rich quick scheme that will totally make me you rich.

  3. SunlessNick

    I just know they’ll recognise me as a kindred spirit rather than a naif waiting to be fleeced! Why wouldn’t they?

    Kind of reminds me of all the people who want to live in the Middle Ages blissfully unaware of of how unlikely they’d be to be nobles.

  4. Mindy

    @ SN – speak for yourself. I can trace my family back to French nobles who fled the revolution and married into the Irish aristocracy. Or at least the legit ones did. I suspect, given that the holder of the family castle in Ireland died without issue or heirs, that my connection may be on the wrong side of the blanket as it were. Apparently there are still lots of people with my former surname in the village near where the castle is. So even though they didn’t get the inheritance they got to keep the name at least.

    *well aware that by now I probably would have either died in childbirth or of some horrible disease, nobility or not*

  5. Mary Tracy

    The world is a better place because of this comic.
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  6. Rebekka

    @Mindy, death by childbirth in the middle ages vastly exaggerated. I wrote a paper on it in my final semester at uni.

    However, being pregnant meant you were more likely to die of communicable diseases, particularly the plague.

    Sorry, misconceptions about death in the middle ages are one of my bugbears!

  7. SunlessNick

    I can trace my family back to French nobles who fled the revolution and married into the Irish aristocracy.

    You realise I’m going to have to call you Milady now?

  8. Rebekka

    @tigtog, depends what you mean by common – around 1/100 throughout the middle ages in Europe. It certainly happened, and most women would have at least known of someone who had died, but the numbers are not actually huge. Like I mentioned though, death of an infectious disease during pregnancy – particularly during the later stages of pregnancy was very common indeed – so common that in Venice, for example, if a pregnant woman died, it was assumed she had died of the plague and that was what was recorded.

    Women’s writing about birth – what little there is of it – largely centres on their fear of pain, rather than death.

  9. skepticlawyer

    Tigtog: There’s excellent confirmation of Rebekka’s figures in Superfreakonomics (yes, those guys again). The figures for maternal death both in and after childbirth were at their worst in the 18th century, where they climbed to nearly 40% of birthing mothers. Levitt and Dubner also managed to get hold of a whole heap of hospital records and compare maternal death under the care of midwives and maternal care in the hands of doctors. In short, the latter were a disaster. Lots of nice tables etc and well worth a read. Apparently, too, the figures for classical antiquity (where we have them) are also surprisingly good: about 1 in 200. Apparently to do with the Roman hygiene obsession and the fact that Roman midwives were trained always to put the mother’s life ahead of that of any children (which goes back to the Twelve Tables).
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  10. Mindy

    Doctors not washing their hands! Well that’s what I read in a novel about a motherless child anyway;)

    Thanks for the fact check Bek. Nice to know that it happened less often than is usually assumed.

  11. Rebekka

    Tigtog, Romantic (as in, the Romantic period, obvs, not as in Mills & Boon etc) literature colouring modern impressions of the medieval period is actually a recognised phenomenon – I’ve read whole books on it, so you are definitely not alone!

    Skepticlawyer, v interesting about the classical period, I haven’t really read anything on that, I’ll have to do some more reading.

    And I’m in Rome at the moment, and it is definitely a good work out for the calves!

    You’re quite right about hospitals being disasterous of course – and Mindy, it was definitely partly because doctors didn’t wash their hands. Until the advent of antibiotics, it was STILL the case that you were vastly more likely to die of an infection in a hospital than at home. You’re still more likely to get one in a hospital, of course, but it’s less likely to kill you now.

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