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Lauredhel is an Australian woman and mother with a disability. She blogs about disability and accessibility, social and reproductive justice, gender, freedom from violence, the uses and misuses of language, medical science, otters, gardening, and cooking.

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  1. draco
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    In industries where paid parental leave is available, it’s generally for the “primary care giver”. My information is purely anecdotal, but: in some industries there seems to be an increasing trend for C sections with the result that the mother is certified to be unable to care for the new-born, allowing the (usually higher-paid) father to access the paid parental leave.

  2. Rebekka
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    No, it’s utterly screwed. Utterly utterly screwed. Of course there is a problem. And of course it’s not that fewer of a quarter of women can birth properly.

    And it’s nice to see the issue getting some feminist attention.

  3. tigtog
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    That the rate of C-section has nearly doubled since 1991 particularly stands out. It’s not possible that women’s physical birthing needs could have changed so much in such a short time: there are obviously social pressures.

    I hadn’t considered the possibility that draco offers, but obviously if people are desparate enough to go for major abdominal surgery in order to have both parents on leave for the newborn period there’s a strong need for a more comprehensive parental leave system.

  4. Becky
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    Birthing is such an interesting topic and not as popular in feminist forums as I think it should be. Although birthing trends have changed drastically throughout the past couple hundred years, there is one glaring consistency: to remove the mother’s efforts and awareness from the process. Starting in Victorian culture, and I’m sure well before that, women have been visually shielded, anesthetized, drugged in many ways and cut open here and there. In the 1950’s and 60’s the trend was to have a “twilight birth” – I think that’s the term – wherein women were anesthetized to the point of unconsciousness during labor. We cringe at the thought of this now, but is it much different than having a nerve-block and your baby cut out of you when it is not medically necessary? The myriad of psychological and physiological stages that occur during labor are all critical for the health and well-being of both the mother and baby.

    Of course I realize that C-sections are medically necessary sometimes and it is a wonderful thing that women don’t routinely die from childbirth (in Industrialized cultures anyway), but women in general need to put themselves back into the birth process.

  5. Lauredhel
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    Becky, I agree with the general thrust of your post. I’m struck by your use of the passive voice, and I think it would be interesting to try to re-cast it in the active voice and put back the agents.

  6. Becky
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    Maybe I used the passive voice because I’ve never given birth and feel slightly guilty passing judgment on those who have, but have done it in a way I don’t necessarily approve of. How’s this: We women need to take back our labor. We need to scream and push and experience all the horrible and wonderful things associated with giving birth to a new life! And we certainly shouldn’t let anyone, especially men or our insurance company, tell us how and under what circumstances to push our babies out! – wow, you’re right, that’s much better!

    A sidenote on the insurance company bit. I have been told by my fiancee, whose mother is a general practitioner who occasionally delivers babies, that hospitals and and insurance companies sometimes prefer that women have C-sections because there is less risk of something “going wrong” – plus it can be scheduled for normal business hours. Isn’t it nicer to have a baby between 8-5 rather than in the middle of the night?

  7. Becky
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    Lauredhel- You’ll have to excuse me, I’m a scientist, definitely not an English major! That was definitely my point that women have NOT been in control of their own births and this has been largely the decision of men. I certainly didn’t mean to imply that women were passively going along with those things. Although, I know a LOT of women who are scheduling their own C-sections for ease, convenience, lots of reasons. Although this is their decision, obviously they are influenced by the prevelence and preceived “ease” of C-sections. Unfortunately, I don’t think enough doctors discourage this practice, they probably encourage actually.

    On the topic of parental vs. maternity leave, I have noticed this recently. I have been looking for jobs, and employers usually list benefits and health packages for potential employees. I was shocked a couple times to see a category for “health-related leave” for up to 2 weeks for illness or parental leave including either birth of children or adoption. There was NO different category for maternity leave specifically. That implied to me that a man can have just as much time for leave as his wife/girlfriend when they have a child. It is also shocking that they provided only 2 weeks. I couldn’t believe it. I actually got into a discussion on another blog about this topic and someone pointed out that some law passed requires employers to provide “up to 12 weeks” for maternity or sick leave. I think the phrasing UP To is very important. Its a sad state of things.

  8. Paul W.
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    “That implied to me that a man can have just as much time for leave as his wife/girlfriend when they have a child.”

    Um, why shouldn’t both parents be entitled to leave?

  9. Becky
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    Um, because a woman needs to take time off before and more time off after due to physical recovery and nursing. More and more, I have seen that women aren’t able to take any time off before, unless they are required to because of doctor’s orders. When they are in their most exhausted and uncomfortable, women work through until the day they deliver. I agree that both men and women need to bond with the child, but women need more time to recover, especially if the birth didn’t go perfectly or if they had a C-section. Also, women who make the good decision to breast feed need to be there to feed their child every few hours, which makes going to work quite inconvenient.

    I think both parents should be entitled to leave, but due to the biology of it, women just require more time, and it shouldn’t be seen as “sexist” to give it to them.

  10. tigtog
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    Yes, there should be more of a distinction made between birth leave and parental leave. Both parents need parental leave, only mothers need birth leave.

  11. Lauredhel
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    To nitpick, I’d go with “maternity leave” over (or as well as) “birth leave”. Breastfeeding gets ignored quite enough as it is. There is definitely a need for a decently long period for mother and infant to establish a breastfeeding relationship. Not all babies can or will feed from artificial devices and still take the breast, not all mothers can pump readily even with decent workplace accommodations, and not all workplaces can accommodate babies (though many more could than currently do).

    There are also special needs that involve no births, like adoptive mothers establishing breastfeeding. If we’re going to shift the focus away from breastfeeding for a short few months and toward breastfeeding to WHO recommendations, the leave situation has got to change.

    Whether this should be limited to one partner could be a point that detractors will seize on, though I doubt it; it’s going to be an issues only in a miniscule minority of families (where a lesbian/poly partner also feeds the baby), and maternity leave could readily be required to be divided between the partners in that case.

  12. Lara
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    Holy Cow! I wonder if I can get the stats for NSW. Makes homebirth look more and more attractive.

  13. Lauredhel
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    Lara: I found a NSW 2004 report here:

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  15. miriam
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    Why do you think this is a problem?
    Yes surely not all these interventions were necessary. But perhaps some of them were desired. By women who made an active choice.

    Women choose to have (some) elective caesarians (elective may mean planned but medically recommended, eg, Triplets, breech). Women can choose to have home births or go to a birth centre, or to go to a labour ward in a hospital and have drugs. We can during labour decline an epidural (you have to sign a consent form to get one). We can decline augmentation and choose to continue to labour for longer.

    It’s not fair to judge women who make these choices because they don’t want to experience pain or because they are concerned about the outcomes for their baby (these aren’t just feminist issues, discomfort with pain is a broader social issue as is changing perception and tolerance of risk esp. medical risk)

    Today (not the 1950’s!) women *are* in control of their own births. We can choose to homebirth after all. And if a woman decides to pass responsibility for decision making during birth or beforehand onto a member of the medical profession, that is also a choice, and a valid one.

    What is a feminist issue is that way that “mothers” become social property. What we eat and drink in pregnancy is depicted as a moral issue (smoke, drink in pregnancy = social condemnation). How we choose to give birth is viewed through a moral lens (it is better or higher somehow to have laboured in pain and naturally? Why? Why are you outraged by these statistics?). And social pressure faced in child-rearing reinforces that, as mothers, women are socially constructed beings with a more limited range of freedoms, because of our social role in raising the next generation.

    My body, my labour, my choice. My epidural, my oxytocin drip, my caesarian.

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  17. Sarah
    Sarah at |

    I totally agree that the cases of intervention and c-section are alarming and disturbing. Some women may feel they have made an informed decicion based on the hospitals often one sided information, that they present to suit their own policies. If more women knew the risks they are taking and stress they are putting their babies under I’m sure the intervention rates would be lower.

    I did heaps of research and found that homebirth was the best option for me, I had a wonderful first birth and can’t imagine going to a hospital or having anyone interferring with my future births.

    I am horrified at the number of c-sections I hear about, I know of 8 people who have had babies in the last month. 6 were c-sections, one was vacume delivery, and the other was a completly normal planned homebirth…clearly that says something about the hospital system, I really wonder why women are being told they can’t birth their babies normally when that is what our bodies are designed to do!

    I’m really hoping the government wakes up to this with the Maternity health services review they are doing at the moment…it would really help us out if we didn’t have to use most of the baby bonus to fund our birth choice.

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